Continuing our "Best Of" series of questions, this week I'm going to take a chance and open up the list to allow you to add your own entries to the ones I nominated. Please be responsible with your newfound power! The question is simple:
Brief discussion after the jump, or jump right to comments to tell me what you think! Also, note that I am not a film critic, I'm just a guy who likes super heroes. So take my observations for what they are -- uninformed, yet published anyway. Thank goodness for the Internet!
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Batman (1966): This was the campy movie based on the just as campy TV series starring Adam West as Batman. You might question its inclusion on this list, but it was for all practical purposes the first big super-hero movie that showed the genre could, in fact, make money on the big screen, stupid as it was. Plus it featured Lee Meriwether as Catwoman, which alone makes it worthy of adoration.
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Superman (1978):For my money, the best summation of what the super hero genre is all about comes from this movie's tagline, "You will believe a man can fly." And holy cow, did it deliver! Were it not for Margo Kidder, who frankly made me want, even at the tender age of 11 years old, to punch her in the face for her terrible Lois Lane, I'd be tempted to go with this one. Gene Hackman made a great Luthor (attention Kevin Spacey!), Ned Beatty was a great henchman, and the film managed to make a guy in a red cape and underwear with blue tights believable flying around in the real world. The first great "serious" super hero movie that set a lot of the standards for what would come after.
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Superman II (1980): On the plus side, this movie had a LOT more super-heroic action than the first one. Guys flinging each other around into buildings, destroying Army tanks, heat vision, and cellophane logos. OK, so it wasn't an unmixed bag. On the other hand, there were some really disheartening moments, particularly the unfortunately trend-setting idea of having the hero reveal his secret identity and/or give up his powers for a woman. However, this movie gave fans fast-paced, interesting, and fun big-time super-hero fights with full Hollywood magic, and for that we must thank it. Also, KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!
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Batman (1989): Looking at Wikipedia's list, I find it astonishing that it took eleven years between the first Superman movie and this one, with only other "Superman" properties being released in the meantime. Well, except for Condorman, but come on, let's be real here. Especially considering the massive box office "Superman" did, it's startling that it took so long to follow up with another character. Granted, Superman at the time was head and shoulders above anyone else in terms of name ID, and further granted, Batman as the next name on the list had in the past decades been used more for ridicule than for quality. OK, maybe the long interval isn't that surprising after all ... Anyway, I remember this movie for two things. First, how outraged everyone was over the casting of Michael Keaton in the lead role. Too wimpy, too small, too pouty, too silly, too wrong! And then he nailed it. Flat out nailed it. Second, I remember how over the top awesome Jack Nicholson was as The Joker. Finally a character besides the universally recognized and beloved Superman had hit the big-time, proving that the genre was more than a one-trick pony. Plus, it's just a fun, crazed, well-done ride.
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The Rocketeer (1991): I know this isn't the mega-hit of the mainline movies on the list, but I just love it. The whole aesthetic of the movie rocks, from the incredibly set and costume designs to the poster to the casting to the cinematography, it's amazingly well put together and fun. 1940s era pulp action at its best.
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Mystery Men (1999): One of two outright comedies on the list (along with the original Batman), there is so much win in this movie. From Invisible Boy who's only invisible if you don't look at him to Hank Azaria's fork-throwing Blue Rajah (who doesn't wear blue), they managed to make a comedy featuring super-heroes that doesn't feel like they're making fun of super-heroes so much as celebrating their zaniness. Plus, I love Ben Stiller.
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X-Men (2000): Marvel's first quality movie offering after the execrable "Punisher", "Captain America" and "Fantastic Four". What, you don't remember those? That's because they sucked so bad they pulled themselves into a singularity, never to be seen again. However, Marvel managed to finally get its act together with this one in a big way. For my money, Magneto was at the time the most compelling and complex super adversary we'd yet seen. And they managed to pull off an "ensemble" movie featuring lots of characters with powers in a way that wasn't confusing or silly. Granted, Joel Schumacher had crammed an astounding number of costumed characters into his later Batman movies, but they ended up mudding the plot, the action, and the bounds of fetishism, ruining the films. Well, helping to ruin the films, because there was a lot wrong with them otherwise, too.
Part of what made "X-Men" work as an ensemble movie was that they were a team to begin with, from the ground up. The Batman cast had mostly been added on as the comic evolved, and as a result they didn't look like they all went together. Add in the hodgepodge of villains in equally garish (and clashing) outfits, and it was just a mess. But the costumes of the X-Men were consistent and looked good together, and with their muted colors and fabrics were meant to be seen on real life actors all in one shot without looking stupid.
All of that aside, this is a fun, entertaining, and well done movie.
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Spider-Man (2002): Marvel might have fumbled the ball early on, but once they figured out how to make (or how to get SONY to make) a good super-hero live action film, they ran with it. Like the first Batman, the casting of the lead caused a lot of controversy at the time, with many of the same criticisms. And again, the lead hit it out of the park. Tobey Maguire's understated, slightly bemused performance was perfect for the perennially troubled Peter Parker, and Kirsten Dunst was a great MJ. The costume rocked, the special effects were outstanding, and the plot thoroughly enjoyable. The only negative for me in this movie was the Green Goblin, who I thought was so overacted and shoddily-garbed it almost dragged down the whole film. Word was that Dafoe's performance was so over the top that ham production was destroyed in a tri-state area.
Plus, "The Kiss" finally made super-heroes sexy. We came a long way from Superman flying around Metropolis with a tablecloth-wearing Lois Lane.
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X2: X-Men United (2003): Like "Superman II", this sequel features some high-powered, very cool super-hero battles. Unlike "Superman II", very few of the characters are wearing vinyl. The scene with Nightcrawler teleporting around the White House alone is worth the price of admission, but there's a lot more where that came from. Great sets, costumes, writing, and directing made for an eXtremely entertaining movie.
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Spider-Man 2 (2004): A strong performance by Alfred Molina as Doc Ock and outstanding CGI effects both with Spidey swinging around NYC and Doc's arms, made for an action-packed ride that still provided great character development and romance. The absence of Willem Dafoe in a featured role also helped.
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The Incredibles (2004): I can hear it now -- "This is an animated movie, it doesn't count!" Hogwash, I say! They're super-heroes, in a movie, therefore this is a super-hero movie. Period. Not only that, it's a great super-hero movie. Tons of action, an incredibly cool design style, interesting characters, gripping plot, fantastic action scenes, and a stellar supporting cast combine to make a fun, involving, top-notch film. One of my criteria for judging a genre movie is whether or not there are any what I call "Godzilla Moments". Let me explain. No, that will take too long. Let me sum up.
In the 1998 version of Godzilla, you have this enormous fire-breathing lizard rampaging through downtown New York. And right in the middle of the movie, we take a half-hour break to deal with the emotional trauma of the relationship between the two human leads.
So I checked my watch because I was bored out of my gourd, and that is what I call a "Godzilla Moment" -- serious gaps in the flow of a movie that make you check your watch, wondering why in the name of all that's good you're having to sit through this dreck when there's a fifty foot fire-breathing lizard rampaging through downtown effing New York!! Show me some Godzilla already, dammit! Note that the Ang Lee "Hulk" was mostly Godzilla Moments with the occasional cool scene thrown in to keep you in the theater.
My point (and I do have one) is that "The Incredibles" has no Godzilla Moments. It's pure, unadulterated, awesome super-hero stuff from the opening credits till the end.
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Batman Begins (2005): Look, you don't need me to tell you how awesome this movie is. Because it is. A truly "adult", mature film about a guy in a cape that manages to give us cool gadgets and comic book action without feeling in any way like a "kids" film. My only criticism is that for me, it dragged a little at times. When I think of going back and re-watching it, I feel like it's going to take an effort. That's not necessarily a bad thing, because great films should make you work a little for them, but for me and super-hero movies, not so much.
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Iron Man (2008): Three words -- Robert. Downey. Junior. Best lead actor in any super-hero movie ever. This may be the perfect super-hero film, from the special effects to the casting to the acting and directing to the set design to the story, it gives you everything you'd ever want in a super-hero movie and more. I think there are better climactic fight scenes than you find here, but other than that I'd put this one up against anything else on the list with confidence.
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The Dark Knight (2008): A better movie than "Batman Begins" in my opinion, partly due to the unbelievable performance of Heath Ledger as The Joker. If Robert Downey Jr. is the best-cast leading man of any super-hero movie, surely Ledger is the best villain. This movie seriously disturbed me, and for any form of art to move a person like that is a real achievement.
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Iron Man 2 (2010): I'll have to confess, I'm not actually that big a fan of this movie. It was good, but the character development arc of Stark just didn't do it for me like the first one. Seeing him go from unprincipled corporate tech whore to a crusader was gripping. Seeing him go from crusader to self-absorbed drunk and back, not so much. Don't get me wrong, it's still an enjoyable film, just not nearly as much so as the first one.
Man, those are some good movies! I suspect that what answer you give as to which is the greatest will depend on several factors unrelated to the actual quality of the film. Like, how old you were when you first saw it, where your life was at the time, whether you generally prefer comedies or darker fare, etc. Those certainly play a part for me -- I saw the first Superman at 11 years of age, a deeply impressionable time and it was the first time I'd ever seen one of my heroes handled so incredibly well.
Which is all totally legitimate! I'm just saying, I don't think there is any way to really decide which is "the" greatest for everyone, because it's so inherently subjective an exercise.
By which I mean I am right and you are wrong, of course, in the finest Internet tradition. Ahem.
I'd probably narrow my list down to "The Incredibles", "Iron Man", and "The Dark Knight". And which answer I ultimately give will depend on how I feel that day (witness). Still, last time I said "Iron Man" was my favorite, and I'll probably stick by that this time, with "The Incredibles" coming in a close second.
Now get out there and tell me why I'm wrong!
Went with X-men, but I’m a long time fan and a bit Biased. Iron man would be my Number 2, but who in the heck is Morton Downey Junior? Robert’s cousin? :p
I voted The Incredibles, because as good as the Chris Nolan Batman movies are, neither one is about a superhero per se. Batman Begins is a character study of obsession personified, and The Dark Knight is less a Batman than a Joker movie. Iron Man is a great superhero movie, but it’s still an origin movie. Origin movies have so many tropes that must be followed that they’ve become cliche. The Incredibles is one of the few on the list that focuses on heroes already established (and not just in an earlier movie). In fact, it takes them into a much more “realistic” setting than any of the others with the established background. On the other hand, it is great fun to watch, even in repeat viewings, and not only pokes fun at the genre, but becomes an excellent example of that same genre.
Morton Downey Jr was a singer and songwriter in the 50s and 60s, but is better known for his later career: pioneer trash talkshow host. He was a right winger, who gave Rush Limbaugh his start in radio by being fired from KFBK (for making ethnic slurs and refusing to apologize) and therefore having to be replaced.
Yeah, I knew that. 🙂 I was giving Jeff a hard time for the slip up. Unless Morton was in IM, and I missed it…..
I went with Batman Begins, since I was all “OMFG!!! This IS batman”. The dark Knight is superior, but it only came out because Batman Begins nailed the part so rightly.
I almost voted for x-men, though, for a simple reason: It’s an awesome action movie who makes fun of all those movie clichés. There’s not a single one that ain’t dragued in the mud, which makes the movie refreshing and fun at the same time
Ha ha, I’m an idiot! I do that with Robert & Morton Downy ALL THE TIME. In my defense, I’m stupid.
Thanks for the catch, Gene, corrected now in the original.
Wait, no Fantastic Four? I mean, what’s wrong with…Bwahahahahahaha! Sorry, I tried, but I can’t say that with a straight face.
I’m really having a tough time choosing between The Dark Knight and The Incredibles. Your explanation for the latter movie was spot on, and its inclusion brought to mind two scenes I loved about it: The more obvious one about Mr. Incredible talking to Edna about costumes and how capes are a bad idea, and an early scene in the movie when Mr. Incredible/Bob comes home from work, accidentally imprints his fingers into the doorframe of his car, and the scene continues into a progression of increased frustration of trying to close the door on Bob’s part until he finally lifts the car up, about to throw it, only to see a neighborhood kid watching on in wide-eyed awe.
You know what? I’m going to go with The Incredibles. Thanks for convincing me, Jeff.
Burton’s Batman. Not only did it rescue the character from the camp TV stigma, it paved the way for the all-time best screen incarnation of Batman: the Dini-Timm Animated Series (At least rhe first season, until the suits started messing with it…).
Origin story or not, Iron Man is just about the most perfect Iron Man Movie possible. All the notes are hit just right, and it has a real character arc that most superhero origins don’t. Most of them just suffer a tragedy and flip a switch to become someone else. Downey made Tony Stark a real person in a way that no other superhero movie has managed to accomplish.
As an aside, I would say that Marvel’s big run started a couple years earlier with Blade. Not deep thought or anything, but good solid fun.
I’ve always loved Superman because it was my first real exposure to the genre. I loved it and Gene Hackamn was an excellent Luthor. It is really the only superman plot where the villain actually had a good plan of getting rid of the hero, even if he did make a mistake of picking to destroy his henchwomen’s grandmother’s hometown.
@Jeff– I think you meant Kevin Spacey rather than Kevin Bacon; it was Kevin Spacey who played Luthor in “Superman Returns”.
Y’know, with the exception of the 1966 Batman movie, every other movie on this list is indebted to the legacy of Richard Donner’s “Superman The Movie” for its existence. Before the critical success and the broad commercial appeal of this movie, superhero movies were considered low-brow children’s fare; “Superman” made the genre viable. Also, like “Star Wars”, “Superman” was one of the first tentpole movies (…”Jaws” is considered the first recognized one), sporting a huge budget and all-star cast.
Granted, it looks as if “Superman” won’t be winning this poll, but it’s a consolation that whatever does win would not have had the chance to reach us if not for Superman– who, ironically, is considered the first superhero.
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::face palm:: Man, I should’ve had TWO cups of coffee this morning. Thanks for the correction Joshua, I edited the original to make it right. Wow.
I’m a sucker for anything that addresses complex philosophical and sociological issues in a thoughtful way. So for me it’s X-Men II, followed very closely by The Incredibles.
Hey Jeff, did you see the Captain America teaser? It’s directed by the same guy that did The Rockeeter, so you should be happy. I know I am.
What about Blade?
I just want to bring up some points of contention when it comes to so many people voting for The Dark Knight as the best superhero movie:
As a huge Batman fan, I didn’t care for it much at all. And I am surprised that more people are not critical of Nolan’s interpretation of Batman.
– Batman’s “dark, brooding” side is all but lost as takes a backseat to the Joker’s character in this movie. It’s a Batman movie with Batman in the backseat.
– Batman’s voice is over the top and laughable the whole movie.
– Maggie Gyllenhaal is awful. Awful to look at. So awful to look at that I can’t watch the movie. Bruce Wayne gets all mooshy over this chick? Everyone talks about how pretty she is the whole movie? That’s enough to take me out of the story. I have nightmares about her nostrils alone.
– Gotham City is Chicago. Not one thing has been done to change Chicago into Gotham. No work was done to change Chicago into it’s own Batman-esque world. I know Nolan is going for realism, but Gotham should be Gotham – not Chicago.
– Batman’s tank and the Jokers facial scars and other ideas were blatantly taken from other Batman stories/comics. Not original by any means, though cool I’ll give them that.
About the only thing I can agree with everyone on is that Heath Ledger was amazing. But does that a good movie make? All I hear is” The Dark Knight? Heath was amazing!” Well, that’s great but it’s a BATMAN movie. Not a Joker movie.
I like Batman Begins and The Dark Knight seems more ‘gritty real’ than Batman Begins, but somehow loses me every time I watch it. I can only rate it as an Okay movie that has a horrible leading actress in it.
Sorry for the vent, but I had to get this out of my system. Lots of discussion with friends on this topic lately since Hathaway was announced as Cat Woman. I’m getting tired of Nolan being considered some Batman genius. Of course he looks like a Batman genius, he took the franchise over after Schumacher gave us Batman on ice. Anything he did would have look better in comparison.
B. Clouser(16): uh, did you ever read Batman: The Killing Joke? It was a Batman comic ABOUT THE JOKER! It has happened before, so why are you so critical? I mean, the whole point of Batman Begins is to have a whole movie dedicated to Batman and Batman alone so the Dark Knight could explore how Batman dealt with his ARCH NEMESIS!!!!!
Yes, I think Heath Ledger did a great job, but it was mostly because the Joker is just such a fantastical character in the first place. And, yes, I did just call the Joker fantastical.
RE: Batman Begins
“A truly ‘adult’, mature film about a guy in a cape that manages to give us cool gadgets and comic book action without feeling in any way like a ‘kids’ film.”
Did you watch the same movie I did? “Batman Begins” did make a great effort to portray a city where all central authority and civic pride is rapidly crumbling. Unfortunately, they kept pulling us away from that mature theme to give us an excessive amount of “You gain wisdom, grasshopper” flashback scenes.
As for the cool gadgets, they were provided entirely by Lucius Fox. Hello, the Batman of the comics was a genius inventor! However, the writers were pulling for an immature crowd who didn’t want to see the hero do “sissy” stuff like, you know, think.
Dr. Shrinker: On one hand, gaining wisdom is stupid, and on the other it’s stupid that he’s not an inventor. Roger.
B. Clouser, that is an awesome rant. I am still chuckling about the nostrils.
This was a hard choice. There are several movies on this list that I truly enjoyed. It came down to which one actually started the run of good super hero movies and that was the 1989 Batman.
I enjoyed the Superman movies when I was a kid but I’m with Jeff. I hated Margo Kidder as Lois. I really didn’t get into the whole messianic undertone of the films either and Supe’s was just too powerful even for Superman.
Batman really started the genre going even if it took Marvel years to get caught up to DC. Ok, DC lost a lot of ground with the final two movies in the series. Ahnold as Mr. Freeze? Really?
Oh, and Jeff; the Godzilla in the ’98 movie didn’t breathe fire. He had a “hurricane roar.” Yes, that was the actual name. The best scene in Godzilla: Final Wars was when the real Godzilla torched the Sony abomination. Another Eurgeeka moment!
Collex, the Cap and Thor trailers both look great!
@ Jeff Hebert
Hokey flashbacks about gaining wisdom are stupid. Taking away the Batman’s inventive genius to make him more approachable to the knuckle-draggers in the audience was also stupid. Now, did you have a point to make?
Off of Jeff’s original list, I’m torn between The Dark Knight and Iron Man. Whereas The Dark Knight really is “The Joker Begins”, Robert Downey Jr. is Tony Stark / Iron Man. Since, I couldn’t decide, I added The Crow. Which also has sentimental value.
@B. Clouser: I always thought that Gotham was New York, Metropolis was Chicago, Central City was Denver, and Ocean City was Los Angeles.
Michael Keaton made a great Bruce Wayne. I did not care for Jack Nicholson portrayal of Jack Nicholson… I mean, The Joker. And there’s a special place in Hades for Joel Schumacher.
I belive that there is only one more thing I need to say in order to convince you all that The Dark Knight was the best superhero movie of all time: it won the Oscar for best picture. That has never been achieved by any other superhero movie in history, so it immediatally propels The Dark Knight to the top of the superhero movie pyramid.
Too tough to call, for many of the reasons mentioned in Jeff’s wrap-up. Batman Begins and Iron Man actually made me like origin movies, because they changed the characters’ origins i ways that I looked at and thought, “That makes sense.” Usually origin changes seem like they were done for no particular reason, but having Bruce Wayne nearly shoot Joe Chill, and having Tony Stark’s armor come from an improved anti-shrapnel rig worked for the characters. In my opinion. At the same time, I agree with the comment that The Incredibles works so well as an actual superhero movie that ignores the “must-tell-origin” cliche. Superman II (which I liked better than Superman) suffers mainly from the limits on special effects at the time – the super-battles were a little disappointing when I saw it in theaters for how fake some of it looked at the time. (When I watched the third Matrix movie, I so wanted to swap those effects into Superman II !)
I simply can’t choose. So many best choices within their respective subcategories! It is a good problem to have…
Dr. Shrinker: My point is that wisdom is different from technical wizardry. Bruce Wayne was foolish, but gained wisdom. He didn’t need to go to MIT to have interesting character development; this ain’t Iron Man, and he ain’t Stark. It’s fine for you to think the flashbacks were hokey and stupid; I thought they were interesting and well done, certainly more so than watching him sit in a lab in front of a Machine That Goes DING.
One of the beefs people have with the comic book Batman is that he’s a genius at EVERYTHING. He’s Tony Stark plus Reed Richards plus Kung Fu Master plus Olympic level gymnast plus billionaire capitalist business guru plus Sherlock Holmes plus plus plus plus. All of that makes him less relatable as a human, because no human could ever do that. It works on a comic book page, but when you get into live entertainment, that kind of ubermensch becomes extremely difficult to pull off in any kind of a believable way. Hence the Sixties campy Batman approach, where you just lodge your tongue in your cheek and roll with the absurdity. Or the more fun and kindly, yet still ridiculous, “Brave and Bold” animated series approach.
Taking away a lot of that and concentrating on his combat skills and the focusing of his rage from useless self-destruction to something useful instead makes for a sharper, more relatable, more human character that works better on film with live actors. The problem, as you’ve demonstrated here, is that inevitably you’re going to piss off the segment of the audience for whom that particular character feature defined the character.
A lot of people love that “Batman as Superman” construct, and that’s cool, but one of the most interesting things about Batman to me is how incredibly flexible the character has been over the decades, going from fairly standard playboy adventurer to campy fetishist to uber detective to super-powered equivalent Justice Leaguer to grim Dark Knight, all while still being Batman. You don’t see that kind of enormous variation in any other character, which I believe is part of the reason he’s been so popular for so long.
For me, the list includes (in no particular order): Iron Man, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, The Incredibles, The Dark Knight, Superman (1978), Batman (1989), X-Men, and X2.
But to narrow it down is difficult. On the one hand I didn’t include the two movies with my favorite villain (Venom)–Topher Grace is too small to play Eddie Brock (lol)–or my favorite hero support (War Machine)–why’d they switch out Terrence Howard, I’m all for sticking with the original actors (of course, I suppose I didn’t mind in TDK, but maybe that’s because Rachel is a girl and not a superhero j/k). Though if Colossus had a bigger role in any of the X-Men movies, it would win hands down. I am leaning toward Dark Knight at the moment, but that could change in the next few.
Finally went with Iron Man 1. Most entertaining script, largest number of “F*@k Yeah!” moments, best faithfulness (as much as possible) to the source, Mr. RDJ, the promises of Avengers to come, I LIKE Gwyneth Paltrow*, and the absence of the bankrupt ‘arch-enemy-created-the-hero’ cliche… the package worked for me. Iron Man 2, not as much.
*Margo Kidder?: gak. Kirsten Dunst?: meh. And give me Maggie Gyllenhall over Katie Holmes any day (seriously; if you can do that it’d be great…).
@Zaheelee – Dark Knight did not win best picture. It won for Heath’s supporting performance and sound editing. That’s it.
And I own The Killing Joke.
I went classic and voted for Superman. Incredibles is a great one too. When it comes to pure superhero movie greatness, those movies just really hit the target.
The Incredibles was a great movie and I gladly voted for it. However, I think the first Blade movie was certainly deserving of a spot on the list. He IS a Marvel comics superhero but in a lot ways wasn’t billed as such until the really bad third movie.
I admit I haven’t seen “Blade”, and probably should have accounted for that in my Big Marvel Drought comment. I just always thought of it more as a vampire movie than a super-hero movie. Still, it IS a Marvel property and by all accounts was a decent film so probably I should have dated the start of the Golden Age of Marvel Movies from then.
Superman set the standard for superhero movies and more importantly went a long way toward making up for the Batman TV show (which was admittedly a product of its time and to be honest I actually enjoyed it as a kid, so I guess that makes me a hypocrite). I don’t understand all the hate on Margot Kidder. I thought she did a great job capturing the spirit of Lois Lane’s character. So what if she’s not a beauty queen. Does every actress have to look like a model? And if a movie doesn’t capture your particular concept of the character, I don’t think that necessarily means it was dumbed down for an “immature crowd”. I mean, would you rather watch young Bruce Wayne training with ninjas or spot welding?
Give Blade a watch Jeff. It’s cheesy, but fun and has a superhero feel over all. I was pleasantly surprised when I first saw it. Go in expecting a lame Marvel hero/cheesy vampire movie and come out surprised.
Yeah, I kinda think Margot Kidder was casting for her time (Think 70’s people) as a ‘pretty but down to earth’ Lois Lane and she pulled it off. I think we all just associate bad things with her now and that stains her as Lois. When I watch Superman I don’t mind her at all. She kinda gave Lois a ‘funny angle’ to her character.
And who doesn’t like Kirsten Dunst? She’s the pretty girl next door we all had a crush on. I could see why Peter was in love for sure.
Then there’s Maggie. Gah. Katie Holmes was bad enough in the first one and then having Maggie take over…Wow. I mean, at least Maggie looks like an adult. But who cares? Her role was more like a plot device than anything real. She just shouldn’t be a superhero’s girlfriend. Sorry. As one guy put it:
“Maggie isn’t in movies because of her looks, she’s in movies because she’s a good actress and one other reason: the first 6 movies she was in were directed by her dad. Yeah, that helps. Put it this way: if she was born in Kansas she’d be Maggie the not cute enough waitress.
I’m not trying to be a dick and hate on these girls, they’re fine. But they should not be the girlfriends of superheroes. Superheroes should be with girls who are smart, funny, and have one eye the same size as the other.”
link to pic of Maggie in Dark Knight:
http://host.trivialbeing.org/galleries/tdk-may4-second-dark-knight-trailer-screenshots/rachel-dawes-maggie-gyllenhaal-snapshot20080504110111.jpg
I vote for The Special’s best superhero movie ever lol
B.Clouser(30): I apoligize and I stand corrected. I didnt check my facts before I pretended that I knew them. Being a die hard Batman fan, I can get a little pissed when someone insults what I deem the best superhero movie of all time. However, you are entiteled to your opinion and I am sorry for yelling at you. Truce?
Zaheelee – there were never any hard feelings. No truce required. 😉
How come Kick Ass isn’t on the list?