HM3: Coats soothe, relieve

I've just added the complete "TopsMaleCoats" to the HeroMachine 3 Alpha. I've broken each item down into four parts -- the complete item, just the chest portion, just the upper sleeve, and just the lower sleeve, as you can see in the samples below:

tops-coats

You can use the "multiples" setting and the "Flip" button to get matching sleeves on the other side. Some of the HM2.x items aren't here yet, as they were just vests, and I'll have a separate "TopsVests" set at some point.

At the end, I added in four elbow pieces that hopefully are generic enough to serve as "bridges" between sleeve portions for when you want to have a character with bent arms. Similarly, in the middle portion I added a few separated trenchcoat bits (one pulled back at the waist as if tucked behind a gun, one long vest portion just on the right, etc.) sine those seem like popular choices and mix well with the existing trenchcoat sleeves.

Let me know any bugs you find, missing items you hoped for but don't see, or anything else you want to say about the new bunch of stuff. Also, what would you like me to work on next? Popular suggestions in the past have been more hand-held items (probably either guns or Blunts), more Tops (vests, probably), more Legwear sets, etc.

Hope you like the new stuff!

38 Responses to HM3: Coats soothe, relieve

  1. Thanks Jeff!

    For coats i’d like to see, how about the second coat in the second page of MaleStandard, but without sleeves?

    What i’d like to see next…maybe Blunts?

  2. I vote for blunts.

  3. nice work Jeff.
    what i would like to see next blunts,helmets,guns,jackets,companion,facial hair,tails ,wings

  4. I vote Blunts as well!

    Some of the chest pieces from the Lordi version were pretty sweet, and seeing as some of the shoulder pieces are there, I’d like to see the chests in HM3.

  5. Kyle, I just did coats, helmets have been done, companions are done, facial hair is done, tails are done, and wings are done … can you not find those? Do you just want more of what’s already there? I am confused.

  6. Awesome, awesome, awesome. Thanks, Jeff!

    For the next, I’d like to see either some more firearms or some more tops/spandex legwear/spandex.

    Or more hands.

  7. Dennis, the Lordi pieces depend on if they’re designs by the actual band (which I can’t use) or generic pieces I came up with (which I can). So no promises on any of those.

  8. Nice work Jeff! Love it.

    I also vote blunts for next.

  9. im sorry Jeff
    what i meant to say was i want to see more of helmets,
    companions=monsters,polar bear,penguin,etc
    facial hair
    tails=shark tail
    more pants=dress
    glove’s=hook
    foot=peg leg

  10. Honestly, i wanna see some more real guns. Right now, we’ve got like 3. Also, some more army helmets, like maybe roman gladiators, or those ww1 german ones with the spike on top. But mostly guns, past and present ones. Maybe some pirate guns.

  11. I love this update and I want more πŸ™‚

    So I vote for more tops.

  12. Jeff are you going to convert the heromachine 2.5 items to hm3

  13. and i vot for more modern weapons, M16, Uzi, RPG

  14. @Chase: Hi! In earlier posts, Jeff has said he is going to convert all the items in HM2.5 to HM3.

  15. I only see the coats that were originally there

  16. @Remy: They’re in TopsMaleCoats, if you’re just seeing the test set of four items, hit CTRL-REFRESH on your browser. If that doesn’t make the updates show up, they’re cached on your server and should appear some time soon.

    @Chase: What Danny said. Most of the coats from 2.x are now in, with the exception of some that were just vests and will go into a future TopsMaleVests set, as I said in the post.

  17. I feel like people are really demanding of Jeff. He knows what he’s doing.

  18. I’d like to see some animal/monster legs like in HM2.5, maybe a large fish tail, a centaur body, bird legs, etc.

  19. @Whit: I feel like people don’t bother actually reading Jeff’s posts. He’s actually pretty clear about what’s going on with HM3. πŸ˜€

  20. @Whit,Imp: I agree completely. I’ve read this “items from 2.5” questions so many times.. maybe Jeff should just incorporate it into the FAQ. AND also include there HK’s recipe for screen capture so we can stop answering THAT one from time to time. Now, don’t get me wrong, I love HM AND the fact that it has an ever-increasing user base, but….

  21. @Worf: Great idea, that question has been added to the FAQ. I should’a ought’a thunk’a that!

  22. These coats are awesome Jeff! Really expands the pose options. πŸ™‚

    Next I would vote for Firearms. I have a nice little list that’s been sitting in my documents folder that I want to bring out lol.

  23. @Whit, Imp, and Worf, I agree with the three of you.

  24. The future suggestion :
    Tops
    Male-Vest (in the way)
    Male- fantasy
    Male – Armor
    Male – Military
    Male – Blouse

    Headgear :
    Fantasy
    Sport
    Scifi
    Ethnic

    Shoulders :
    Military

    Head :
    Alien
    Cyborg
    Cheek
    Chin
    Brow

    Body :
    Elbow

    Ear :
    Earpieces

    Hand :
    Animal
    Armor

    Feet :
    Animal
    Tech
    Armor

    Neckwear :
    Jewelry
    Tech

    Legwear :
    Dress
    Monster
    Tech

    Mouth :
    Teeth
    Tongue

    I think, t’ve made the tour of the future sets.

  25. I’d like to see you work on adding in Musical instruments and other Misc hand held items such as the Iron grouter, wine bottle, etc, but especially a Lute and a Harp as I have a couple characters that use those instruments.

  26. I’ve forgotten few slots :

    Insignia :
    – Ancient
    – Animal
    – Vegetal
    – Elemental
    – Heraldic
    – Esoteric
    – Tatoos

    Font :
    – Ancien ( Rune, Greek, Hieroglyph)

    Hair :
    – Alien
    – Fantasy

    Facial Hair
    – Fantasy

  27. Thanks Jeff, and Danny

  28. Oh yeah, couple mor thinks i want to see. Maybe Female sections as well as male. (Creating female characters sent me mental.) And tattoos if it’s not too hard to do. Like, sleeve tattos, maybe some smaller ones and all. What else?
    My bro can’t be arsed to put his own comment. He wants to see, like, some sports stuff. Boxing gloves, wrist tapes, wrestling gear, football pads, and the like. Oh yeah, and maybe some converse in the foot section.

  29. @A-Bag Jeff is waiting to do all the female stuff until all the male things are done first.

  30. And there’s another suggestion for the FAQ. The female items are coming. PLEASE don’t ask again! :'(

  31. Blunt weapons please:) So I can get my hammer.

  32. Blunts and/or polearms for me too, please. Clubs, pikes, hammers, maces, halberds, quarterstaffs, wands, etc.

  33. Heya Worf, I know that you don’t want people asking about the female stuff, but you have to understand that there is a certain level of frustration over the fact that over half the population is basically left out of being able to use this program.
    Sure, you could make a female character, but the level of extra work involved is a pain, and most of the time they still wind up looking like a guy in drag.
    It’s especially frustrating when Jeff works on Generic stuff that works for either sex, such as skies, backgrounds, etc, basically saying that those things are more important than giving women (or men) the chance to use the program to design their own female characters.

    I understand that this is a free program, and Jeff has a lot on his plate, but it just comes across as if women are not worthy of his consideration except as an afterthought. I’m sure that’s not his true feelings on the matter, but why should women come after things usable by both genders? Why not do the male parts, then the female parts, and THEN the multi-gender items?

  34. @Kount Kill: I’m going to resist the almost-overpowering urge to be a snide git here, and instead will just point you to the relevant section of the FAQ:

    Where’s the female body and female items? AKA Why are you a sexist pig?

    Note the second sentence in the question; you’re not the first (nor will you be the last) to insinuate such a thing. Unfortunately.

    Your overall point assumes that there is a Golden Set Of All Items that I just need to check off on a list. Buzz through all the gender-specific items, check, convert those to female, check, move on to non-gender-specific items, done.

    But it doesn’t work like that. The program’s still an ALPHA, meaning it’s very much in current development both for code and artwork. The final set of BODY PARTS isn’t even finalized yet.

    Once I get the item set nailed down to within 10% or so, including at least one more pass through BodyMaleStandard, I’ll convert the female stuff. Until then, it’s an enormous pain in the ass to have to constantly update two different sets of items in two genders to keep them synchronized.

    I’ll even give you an example. After doing TopsMaleStandard, due to user feedback I came to understand that separating out the chest piece from the upper and lower sleeves was a Good Thing, something I didn’t really consider before. I was able to include that in TopsMaleTops and I think it’s a better set of items for it. But I’m going to have to go back to TopsMaleStandard and break those out, too, which frankly I dread. If I had to do it TWICE, once for the male items and once for the female items, I’d shoot myself. Seriously, I hate that kind of duplication. Separating stuff out is boring. Drawing the same thing more than once is boring. Drawing the same thing twice and duplicating it twice and making sure it all matches across to totally separate files is not just boring, but violence-inducing.

    This is the way it worked in HM1, it’s the way it worked in HM2, it’s the way it worked in HM2.5, and it’s the way it’s working now. Yes, I know it’s frustrating, and I feel the same thing, but it’s not NEARLY as frustrating as having to do all the bookkeeping of making sure I do the same item twice if I have to go change something or add new stuff to a previously completed set.

    Patience, grasshopper. It will come in time.

  35. I’m getting the idea that perhaps there should be some sort of pop-up before anyone is allowed to post a comment. Something that says everything that needs to be known about 2.5 items, female items, etc etc ad infinitum ad nauseum. It should be set up so that you can only scroll through said pop-up so fast–any faster, and you’ll be sent back to the top. This is to force people to actually *READ* it. At the bottom, you click a button that says you’re read the statement. Then, and only then, can you post a comment.

    Seriously, sometimes I feel like Jeff is treated as some kind of cross between a slave and an adversary. Where is the gratitude that this programme even exists, or the recognition that it’s a helluva lot of work that’s going to take a long time?

    Here’s an idea–instead of whining about what isn’t in the programme *yet*, keep your eyes out for bugs and report them to Jeff. Jeff is under *no obligation* to have an “alpha phase” available to the public. I’ve never heard of anyone else doing this with a programme. He’s doing this because he actually gives a rip about his programme’s users, and wants to create something that will work for them. Try finding that level of customer service elsewhere in the world.

    Seriously, folks.

  36. I’m happy people like the program enough to take the time to put in their feedback. I can’t expect people to have combed the site and read back through all the previous posts.

    The only thing that really gets under my skin is personal stuff — “you’re a sexist”, “you’re jealous”, “you’re ugly”, that kind of thing. I ain’t got time for that kind of thing.

    But the rest of it is just part of the gig. I don’t expect people to be intimately familiar with all the issues and to have read all the past posts or anything. People should feel free to ask questions that pop up and if it’s something I’ve already answered twenty times, that’s fine, I’m happy to provide it a twenty-first time if it helps keep people excited about what’s going on.

    By the way, for the record I am not sexist and I am not jealous, but I AM ugly.

  37. At minimum, it would be good to see more “pleases” and “thank yous”.

  38. Thank you, Whit.

    πŸ˜€