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Two teched-up bad-ass guys going man-to-man. Two walk in, one walks out. Who will that one be, and why?
I leave it up to you, intrepid creators! Vote, then lay out your case in the comments as to why everyone ought to agree with you. Aaaaand ... FIGHT!
Three middle-aged nerds (including yours truly!) review all of the MCU movies in chronological order. Short, funny, and full of good vibes, check it out and let us know what you think!
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Everyone should agree with me….’cause its freakin’ Darth Vader, that’s why!
Master Chief may be a badass, but he’s still just a guy with lots of guns. Ask Han Solo about how well badasses with guns do against Darth Vader.
so it’s Vader versus (essentially) a glorified stormtrooper… no contest
As Bael says, Vader can stop bullets with his hand. So yeah, no contest.
Unless it’s a contest about a whiny past self… wait, no, Vader still wins.
In terms of sheer physical strength, Master Chief could have the upper hand. He might win an arm wrestling match.
However, Vader has the power of the Force, his lightsaber and his prosthetic limbs, which presumably augment his strength.
Vader wins.
Don’t be so sure. Vader has robot arms.
Hm. I’ve never played Halo, so I’m going to go with Vader. Also, the Force, lightsaber and all that.
If Darth Vader wasn’t able to use the force, Master Chief would win for sure. Although, you can’t fight what you can’t see or touch. So, I have to give the advantage to Vader, even though, truthfully, the Chief is a MUCH better fighter overall.
(And to anyone who is saying that the lightsaber gives Vader the advantage; Master Chief’s energy sword is just as effective as the lightsaber, so they break even on that front.)
Force powers and a weapon which can block and redirect gunfire? yeah, Vader win this one. Also, if needed, Vader has the Executor under his command.
I think y’all are losing sight of the fact that Master Chief has nailed his share of “Big Bads” before. Vader’s been stymied by other Jedi, by Han and Chewie, etc. He’s not invulnerable and the Force isn’t an “I win” button. It’s an ability you can counter, fight, or work around if you’re clever enough, and Chief has shown that he absolutely is.
Master Chief isn’t just a badass with a gun or a glorified Stormtrooper. Master Chief has been training since the age of 6 and then genetically altered increasing everything about him including his strength, speed and reflexes. On top of that he also wears armour that increases his already increased abilities. So a supreme fighter that has saved the universe and destroyed a collection of alien races almost single-handedly vs Darth Vader, a man who was defeated by a teenager and wasn’t smart enough to cover up a hole on the death star. Chief wins.
After that, I gotta go with Master Chief. I love Star Wars and all, but come on. That record pretty much speaks for itself.
I know next to nothing about Master Chef, so I gotta go with Vader.
I read this as “Master Chef vs Darth” and was therefore slightly confused.
Darth has prepared a dessert of Forced Rhubarb with a Raspberry Coulis…
It’s really quite simple.
Master Chief is superhuman. I’ll grant you that.
But Darth Vader is supernatural.
No amount of superstrength will stop Vader from lifting MC off the ground with telekinesis and Force-choking him to death. And it doesn’t matter how fast MC is if Vader can see what move he’s going to make before he even makes it.
Even in the movies the only people who have ever given Darth Vader a challenge in a stand-up fight have been other Force users. MC isn’t a Force user, ergo he will lose.
Vader wasn’t responsible for building the Death Star. That was all on Tarkin’s head.
And Master Chief would lose to Luke Skywalker too.
Darth, no contest. Why? Well like someone said before, he could pick up MC and choke him, or crush him with the force. Unless you have the force, you couldn’t think of winning against a guy like D.V. like someone also said before, Han and Chewy had no chance against him. Yeah they have no super powers but they are just about as bad ass.Sometimes you have to know when you’re beat and M.C. should know when he’s beat. I don’t care how much armor or weapons someone has when all that can either be pulled away with the force, or crushed around the persons body by the force.
Vader wasn’t defeated by some random teenager. It was Luke-fricking-Skywalker. THE hero. When in the previous parts Luke (little more than just a teenager at that point) faces Vader, he gets owned. In RotJ, he’s the only remaining Jedi Master and soon-to-be founder of the new Jedi Order. If that’s the only person that can stand up to him, I think he has pretty good chances.
In EU, he did get somewhat slowed down by Boba Fett and met an almost equal match in Darth Maul, but well, that’s EU. Still neither defeated him.
Look, no Force user can just crush everything with a glance. It takes concentration and time. I’d like to see how much focus Anakin can take with grenades going off at his feet, sonic blasters ringing in his ears, or a starship dropping on his head. Remember how long it took the Emperor — a vastly more powerful Sith than Vader — to try and fry Luke? And Luke was mostly just playing for time, trying to redeem his father.
Han and Chewie got outgunned in Cloud City because they were betrayed and ambushed. They were surrounded by Lando’s minions, so there wasn’t much they could do.
Again, the way I see it the Force isn’t a “magic can do anything” trick. It’s a power with limits and constraints just like anything else. A smart enough enemy can work around it.
Such a hilarious mental image! Thank you Fuzztone, you have made my day.
Nice try to spark the arguement to the other side, but this contest is over by a landslide. Vader has the choke hold on Master Chief demanding to know where the rebel base is…….snap, crackle, crunch…..done!
Postulate: Darth Vader is the Batman of non-Batman “versus” contests. Discuss.
Jeff, you have to remember that you’ve never seen Darth Vader go all out. His fight with Kenobi was mostly off screen didn’t really take that much effort. He was really just indulging himself waiting for the rest of them to escape. In Empire and ROTJ he was just goading Luke, trying to bring him around to the dark side. And how was Han outgunned, when he was the only one shooting?
He was outgunned in terms of being surrounded by an entire city of hostiles. Once the shocked knee-jerk reaction wore off, he had to submit.
We saw the Emperor fry Vader to the point of destruction in Jedi, in the short time it took to go over the edge of the pit. And we’ve seen other powerful Jedi in battle against droids and clones, and they got taken out. There’s a reason Luke is the last Jedi — all of the others got killed. You can assume that some of them were at Vader’s level of accomplishment.
So being able to use the Force isn’t a magic “I win” card, it’s just a tool that can be outmaneuvered, outfought, overpowered, and defeated with enough number, effort, or tech. In Master Chief you have an absolutely elite soldier who’s saved the universe several times over, has defeated crowds of enemies, and who has the kind of battle savvy it takes to survive on a field of combat. Unless Vader gets in an insta-kill, the Chief will have time to reply with effect.
I’m not saying he’d win, but I don’t get this casual “Vader crushes all” sort of argument.
Granted, while it’s more than plausible that Master Chief could get the tactical upper-hand on Vader and finish him off, I’m hesitant to give it to him based on the fact that the Force could grant Vader prescience to foresee an ambush/attack; that and there’s heightened reflexes/senses, plus the ability to Force choke/push/pull.
Now, should Vader be the Batman of non-Batman verses contests? No. That honor belongs to Doctor Doom. 🙂
Doom: Correction– Batman should be the Doom of all non-Doom verses contests!
I voted Vader just because Vader can shoot lightning from his hands wich would fry Master Chief’s weapons, GAME OVER(pun intended).
I voted Vader just because Vader can shoot lightning from his hands which would fry Master Chief’s weapons, GAME OVER (pun intended).
Easy, Jeff. You seem to be hypernerdilating. I never mentioned the Force, and I certainly agree it isn’t an instant win. But Anakin Skywalker was an elite warrior who saved the universe a few times, destroyed virtual armies alone and had plenty of battle savvy. As Vader, he may or may not be past his prime, but has added decades of experience hunting and killing other elite warriors with similar abilities to his resume. On paper, they are pretty evenly matched. I’ll even grant an even match in mobility between Jedi Force assisted jumps against the usual video game liberties with movement. I’ll call Master Chief’s ranged advantages a match to Vader’s Force attacks at closer range. I give the match to Vader because Jedi/Sith are just that much more focused on one on one duels.
Man, if that was hyperventilating, I hope you don’t ever think I’m mad!
Just trying to play Devil’s Advocate here, I hate to see the nerd rage dribbling along without some controversy to spice it up. Vader’s running away with this thing, Master Chief needs help!
I no nothing of Halo so I had to go with Vader, though they do sound fairly evenly matched. As I said, no knowledge of Halo stuff so my vote doesn’t carry much weight.
Well you could say the same thing about the Jedi with the Han Solo scenario. Most of them where take by surprise and betrayed by a vast horde of clones, an army of elite soldiers, that they had come to trust in the war. Fabricated by the Sith meant to spread and thin the numbers of the Jedi. Whatever was left of the massacre, was ruthlessly hunted down by a weakened Vader.
Now you might ask, “Well how come the Jedi didn’t see it coming?” Well, some of them might have, but dismissed it having come to trust the clones. Another factor in that is that most where killed because a powerful Sith Lord, Darth Sidious, had blinded them to foresee events in the Force, making the anticipation of Oder 66 impossible. So then it all comes to the Force, had they not been blinded by another Force-user, they would never have been defeated. Making no ordinary mortal face the supernatural power of the force and survive, in the rights hands. Vader is more than capable of playing a, “I-win” card against a bad ass guy with bunch of cool guns that go boom, because he does it to everyone. But take the Force away MC wins no contest at all whatsoever.
Don’t tell anyone, but I’ve never played Halo either. I’m just stirring up shit — I hate seeing one side go undefended >:-D
That’s cool, I don’t play it that often anyways, but I play it enough to know what I’m talking about. And come on, who doesn’t love a Vader pwnage?
Having given it a bit more thought…I won’t try to change my vote or anything, but won’t master Chef just keep respawing until he wins?
Master Chief can continue not speaking while Vader force chokes him. This one isn’t even a contest, honestly.
I’m curious, where does the Doctor fall in this Doom of Vader Batman universes? The Doctor vs. The Bat would be an interesting match up.
Postulate accepted and seconded. Now Vader Vs. Batman would be another question entirely…. Batman wins! 😉
Okay it’s kinda obvious isn’t it. Darth Vader is stronger with the “dark force” then he was with just the “Jedi skim stuff” also. like someone else said. Vaders had decades of fighting. let alone a soldier only experience being a couple of years fighting aliens with guns. not Supernatural human beings with the power of the force. and someone else also said you need to concentrate to use the force. and someone with decades of fighting doesn’t freak out. also when master chief goes in, he probably doesn’t know what he’s dealing with. so vader’s has the element of surprise with him.
also aliens don’t have the mind powers like site’s do soooooo
Vader’s has a few HUGE advantages
Oh, and since we’re discussing the Force, and if you’ve ever wondered how much power a force user can really output, might I suggest reading the following article: http://what-if.xkcd.com/3/
I have a thought: Commander Shepard swoops in and owns them both!
‘Ducks into Nerd-rage shelter’
Wow, between my new phone not getting charged enough, me fighting with it to do things that my old phone did with far less trouble, and it just being a busy day at work, I finally get to address this one.
I don’t play Halo. I actually can’t play Halo. I have perceptive pseudo motion sickness, or what is commonly referred to as “simulator sickness.” First person games will make me physically nauseated if I try to play them for more than a few minutes. Having said, I know a ton of Halo fanboys, and because of that, they’ve made me watch Halo Legends and read the books, so I’m probably about as knowledgeable as one could be without playing even a second of any of the games. And my love of Star Wars has been announced many times.
There are a few similarities between the Spartans, a group of biologically augmented soldiers trained since childhood in the art of war, and the Jedi, a group of genetically gifted warrior monks (for lack of a better term) trained since childhood in the ways of the Force. But actually, the better analog between the Spartans and the Star Wars universe is actually to the Mandalorians, a society of warriors introduced to warfare as soon as they can walk, outfitted in the most impervious armor available, and armed with the most cutting edge tech in the way of weaponry. While a Spartan’s biological augmentations would probably give them an edge against their Mandalorian counterparts, you can at least say they sound very familiar.
So given the analog comparison, we can then postulate that if the Mandalorians provided a formidable, but ultimately unsuccessful threat to the Jedi in their battles, particularly during the Mandalorian Wars, then we could presume the outcome would be the same for the Spartans. Further, on an individual level, one could say a Mandalorian warrior of legendary status could effectively take out a single Jedi, especially one of lesser training or experience (for example, Jango Fett gunning down Coleman Trebor in Attack of the Clones, by firing so fast the lumbering Jedi consular couldn’t block all the shots coming at him), against a more formidable foe, they would be overmatched (from the same movie, we could see Jango Fett didn’t pose much of a threat against the far more combat-profficient Mace Windu), unless they have the advantage of numbers (which, actually is how the Mandalorians actually won most of their battles). By that premise, faced against the Noble Six (the Spartan team featured in Halo: Reach ) instead of Master Chief alone, Darth Vader probably wouldn’t stand a chance, and depending on the tactics used, their ambush environment, and maybe a bit of luck, Noble Six could even take down the Sith Lord without a single casualty.
However, the point now comes back to this being a solo fight between Darth Vader and Master Chief. And Darth Vader isn’t an inexperienced padawan or a Jedi consular who emphasized his training on diplomacy over combat. This is “The Chosen One.” And while it is no sure thing, the history would back the Force-trained combatant over that of the highly skilled soldier, as even the reigning Mandalore (the greatest fighter of the Mandalorian people at the time, and their symbolic ruler) has twice in history been defeated after putting up a respectable fight against future Sith Lords. So we can surmise even a Spartan of John-117’s stature would likely see the same fate.
I know, this is probably a fairly wordy, overly-analytical, and way too entrenched in the Extended Universe argument, but that often seems to be my style.
I voted for Master Chief, because, hey, underdog; and, screw you, George Lucas.
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I think I can help your argument for Master Chief.
From what I’ve seen and read, I thought the only reason the Emporer’s force lightning killed Vader was because it made the machinery he needed to live malfunction.
So considering that, couldn’t Master Chief just set up an EMP and have it go off while Vader was force choking him?
Look, Vader has two kids, Master Chief has an alien X-Box for a girlfriend… GAME OVER!!! 😀
Anything else you need to know can be learned by watching “Epic Rap Battles of History”…
Darth Vader creams Adolf freaking Hitler, TWICE (okay, yes, he cheated both times, but that’s what Jedi do…), while Master Chief got blown away by King Leonidas! {Yes, that’s just my interpretation…}
i voted master cheif becuz powers are overrated, i see it as something for a less skilled person to use becuz he cant do shit on his own
If there’s a two-inch ledge somewhere over the intended battlefield where MC can crouch and get off a sniper shot before Vader knows he’s there, Vader might be in trouble.
Ok first of all you guys have to remember that vaders life could be destroyed easily if someone destroyed that square in the middle of his chest ( i forgot what its called) and like Jeff said MC has grenades so if MC threw a grenade at DV feet then shot him in the chest box thing DV would die immdiatley so then MC wouldve won
Sure a lot of Jedi got killed after order 66, but after the original betrayal, guess who lured out and killed the remaining ones?
That’s right, Vader. It’s like as soon as he dons that armor, he’s suddenly becoming hypercompetent and kicking a lot of ass. Only other Sith (and one specific Jedi) would prove of any resistance at this point, because lightning+life support=bad news.
im new to all of this but i have played most halo games and read some of the books mc is basicly super human and has a shit ton of armour and sheilds on top of that. If vader picks him up the chief would shoot him and in hand to hand chief has the strength and endurance and chief has an energy sword and grav hammer wich is just as powerful if not more than a lightsaber im giving it to chief even tho vader is pretty badass
Okay, thought I’d counter a couple arguments here.
For everyone that thinks that Vader would be easy to kill if you just snipe him at long range, or chuck a grenade at him, why didn’t the Rebel Alliance think to do this during the 20+ years of Imperial reign?
Oh wait, they did. From all EU accounts, the Alliance was actively trying to assassinate both Vader and Palpatine in that time. With largely disastrous results.
Ok I happen to be a fan of Halo and Star Wars but alot of people are forgetting some key factors to Halo:
Master Chief has yet to show any signs of weakness when it comes to fighting, I mean he has advanced strength, stamina, speed, agility, and endurance, though he isn’t invinceable, Master chief has plenty of physical attirbutes to keep him alive. Plus one key factor he has is Cortana, a virtual AI implanted into his suit that communicates with him and can caculate at superb speed and can hack into any systems needed to turn the tide on any fight.
Darth Vader has the force and a lightsaber yes, but the Force IS LIMITED, and each time it’s used the user gets weaker.
The Choke thing is a cop out, Vader can snag Chief into the hold yes but Chief isn’t some weak little trooper who will just sit there and let it happen, he’s been trained better, and would just grab a magnum or a grenade from his arsenal and blast Vader in the face with some rounds or blow him sky high while he’s distracted by choking out the Chief. Chief is alot stronger and smarter then any of Vaders “choke victims”.
Also Vader HAS physical weaknesses, he’s mainly robotic but has severe breathing problems and needs his suit to survive, unlike Chief who is cybernetically enhanced as well but can fight without the Mark IV or Mark V suits.
Vaders lightsaber isn’t only a Cop Out but not as effective as people are arguing, since Chief can use an Energy Sword agianst a lightsaber, and is well trained in Hand-to-hand combat, thus giving him an edge there.
Last Chief has a massive Arsenal at his disposal, from simple pistols to a Spartan Laser capable of destroying tanks, plus not to mention Suit enhancements like Cloaking and Hologramns and Bubbleshields.
In all Chief has better training, is physically better, has Cortana to caculate better attack points for him, a massive arsenal of both guns and defensive tools, and has taken on more big time threats then Vader has.
I give my vote to Chief simply because he’s just more Badass in every way.
I think you mean Noble Team, Noble Six was the character you played who was recruited to Noble Team after they lost the previous Noble Six lol
Also I wanted to point out that the entire Noble Team was taken out by smaller divisions of the covenant, whilst Master Chief single-handedly (yes with some help from various marines, but they didn’t do much in the game) decimated the Covenant and still survived to fight on. I mean in Halo 2 the man blew up a Corvette (the name of the massive space ships used by the convenant to transport all their troops across space, they are big enough to hold a mass of troops, several thousand vehicles, and enough weapons to supply an entire nation) on his own, without anyones help. Yes he did it by strategically taking the covenants own bomb they planted on the space station and throwing into the core of the ship, but it just goes to show how much more badass Chief is. I wanna see Vader try something like that with his life support suit.
Simply put Chief will go to any lengths to win the fight, and has more will and determination to succeed
I picked Chief because I think this battle essentially comes down to ranged attacks. See, after years of battling aliens with different abilities, he knows one thing: if the enemy is better at something than you, pick a different way to fight. Vader is clearly a close range fighter, and Chief can pick up on this from a distance, before Vader could close the gap. At that point, he is just going to assault Vader with everything he has until it’s game over. Don’t get me wrong, Vader will still put up one HELL of a fight, deflecting bullets, maybe even force pushing some grenades back at him, but when it comes down to brass tacks, Chief is the better ranged fighter, and will keep the battle at a distance until it’s over. Someone rooting for the Chief, HAPPY JEFF?!? hahaha
I have to give the edge to vader on this one for several reasons. First and formost-the force. (That sounded cool! :)) While I accept that the Force does not render one invincible in combat, in this case Vader gains a significant combat advantge. Even without Sith lighting (Vader cannot use it due to artificial limbs) which would be useful in finding an invisible Master Cheif by shorting out his suit, Vader still can use force choke and force push on Master. Plus, Force mind reading would help too. Secondly, Vader has state of the art armor capable of blocking blaster bolts. Perhaps a well-aimed shot at an eyehole will penetrate, but that would takea high powered close range shot, and thats still no guarntee of a kill shot or even penetration. Even if Master danced around him invisible, shooting all the while, Master would run outta ammo without achieving more than a few dents in Vaders armor. Lastly, Vader has reflexes, making him able to block lasers with his hand. Need I go on?
The Force idea is the one thing Vader has agianst Chief really, and like i said the choke is a Cop out and i explained how Chief could get around it, the force push would work to keep Chief back and even avoid grenades, but it will also weaken Vader, which Chief would figure out and use to his advantage, or Cortana would caculate into a battle strategy, and like The Shookman said Chief is a ranged fighter more then close up, so Vader would have to use the force alot to be able to get in close to Chief.
Also Vaders armor might be capable of defending agianst blaster bolts, but all star wars weapons (from what I’ve seen) shoot energy more then physical projectiles, so there’s no way of knowing if Vaders armor could stop a round from a Magnum or even a Sniper Rifle.
Now let me just go on to say from what I’ve seen of the whole deflecting rounds or blocking with lightsabers, in all cases I’ve seen the person firing is using a Semi-auto weapon, which means the ROF (Rate of Fire) is only as fast as the shooter can pull the trigger. Chief has weapons that fire at full-auto as well as multi-shot shotguns, so thus the advantage agian goes to Chief because I severely doubt Vader is quick enough to stop a spread of pellets at once flying at him at full force, and Force push I doubt is strong enough to stop a bullet going at full velocity.
The Force isn’t as strong as everyone is interpreting and we don’t know how well it does agianst real bullets since mostly all SW weapons use energy.
Also one last note VADER WASN’T DEFEATED BY LUKE!!!!!, remember he turned on the emperor and killed him, then died himself by too much Sith Lighting being absorbed, Luke never truely defeated Vader because Vader in the end saved the Galaxy like everyone foresaw before.
I made the same misread and was ready to vote for Gordon Ramsey (he can be a mean SOB.) Guess I’ll have to go with Garth.
Hey I’m rooting for the Chief here too lol I love Halo
Very true, however the Force provides the benefit of foresight, he might force speed or force jump or something a moment before the initial trigger pull. Forcing MC to do something completely unforeseeable and reckless, which could be an advantage, or a lethality. Doing something unexpectedly reckless would be to go in the close range where eventually Chief’ll get sliced, Force pounded into the ground, or his energy-sword/Grav-hammer will run out of charge rendering it useless. Also, the Spartan Laser, is an energy type weapon, which Vader could easily anticipate and redirect back a Chief. Now the Force Drain topic is interesting, I hadn’t thought to put in that factor, but I think that eventually one of them will succumb to exhaustion (Vader) or an obsolete arsenal (MC). So really timing and a bit of luck on either side would win the battle.
Late to the party, but going to throw this out there anyways.:
I’m going Chief on this one, simply because I think Master Chief’s energy shield would protect him from a Vader choke hold, and from any other quick crushing blows from the force. His armor protects him against the Covenant’s plasma weapons. This includes the energy sword which is close to equal with a lightsaber, so the lightsaber is not a “one hit kill”. Vader’s lighting is also no longer a one hit kill because of the shield. In rapid succession, this gives Vader a fighting chance. However, MC is faster and stronger (genetic bonus, spartan bonus, armor ability bonus). MC also has range weapons, where Vader will have less ability to take down MC’s shield and protect himself from grenades and the other powerful weapons MC has access to. That is before you add in MC’s potential over-shield.
It’s definitely a fight. Vader could win if he brought his A game, but my money is on Chief.