Since Wolverine wins every poll he's in, and Batman wins every poll HE's in, I am going to short-circuit the geek hive mind and pit them against each other. Genius!
To make it more interesting, I'm going with the movie versions of each, particularly since I think an argument can be made that the X-Men and Nolan Batman series are fundamentally compatible in a way that, for instance, neither is with the world of the Superman films.
So you've got the standard Wolverine ferocity and healing powers against the Batman's strategic superiority and tech base. Both are trained in martial arts and both are deadly fighters. Batman is used to fighting guys with swords, so if he survives the first slice-and-dice that shows his armor to be ineffectual, I think he could adapt and stay away from the sharp ends.
I don't think either character is the combat master they're portrayed as in the comics. With Wolverine, I get the sense that he's more of a Rocky style "takes a licking and keeps on ticking" sort of outlast-them fighter. More of a pugilist than a martial artist. Batman, of course, very much is the martial artist, but does that matter much against a guy who can regenerate?
I see the fight as being either a quick Wolverine victory (his unexpected speed and ferocity, not to mention unstoppable claws, catch Bats before he can prepare), or Batman survives the initial assault and picks him apart over the long term.
What do you think, who would win and why?
*Sigh* I know this poll is quickly going to side toward Batman in the lead, but please fair voters– consider this:
Besides heightened senses, a healing factor, and retractable claws (…regardless if they’re bone or adamantium), Wolverine has been an active participant in every major American war (…yes, I know he’s Canadian) since 1861. He’s had at LEAST a century of fighting experience. Consider that.
And I’m going to commit major blasphemy here…*deep breath* but f&%k Batman’s “prep time”. This is Movie Batman, not the God-Damned Batman. I’m sorry, but let Batman have the shadows, Wolverine will sniff him out. And not only will he snikt-ka-bob Batman, but he has NO aversion to using firearms; so long-range or short, advantage Wolverine.
I have to go with Wolverine on this one. I don’t think anything in Batman’s arsenal would be able to put him down for long. Tough decision though I have to say.
This says it all my friends!
Cheers!
Sorry, but as long as Bats can survive the initial assault, he’ll soon figure out that Wolfie can’t die. Then he’s gonna jump in the Roller and park it on Logan’s chest until he can cuff & stuff the hairy one into the trunk and haul him off to Arkham with his hands encased in a hundred kilos of concrete.
Nerd fail alert on my part, but the “Dark Knight” era Batman fights Killer Croc? I was only talking about the Christopher Nolan movies in the poll.
Alright, Let me start by reminding everyone that Batman also has a large tech base and prepares himself for almost every fight he is in. He could create something to get past the regeneration of wolverine, as far as martial arts goes, batman is the only one with substantial knowledge of any form of martial arts, Wolverine is a tank with claws, He is truthfully hard to put down but I believe that with the skill sets of batman, He would beat wolverine no doubt. Batman has so many gadgets and would catch wolverine by surprise, Batarangs would really prove to be a vital point in the match, by aggravating wolverine, it would make it harder for him to think, then when he is about on a rage batman would sneak up behind him and choke him out, or break his neck, I honestly am more of a fan of Wolverine but I have to give the edge to batman.
id say wolverine destroys batman any day of the week. the whole “preparation” thing is a cop-out.
One of Batman’s defining traits is his inventiveness. This trait makes him one of the most strategically adept fighters in comic history. Wolverine’s strategy, by contrast, doesn’t seem to move beyond “grimace, slash, repeat if necessary.” This fight will come down to the smarter fighter, and as such I give the nod to Batman.
Now now, let’s be fair — sometimes he opts to scowl instead of grimace.
unfortunately you are correct. the movie wolverine doesnt really showcase any real skill. but the fact is theres little batman can do to slow him down. he cant do anything to really hurt him. hes not that much faster. batman will tire. logan wont. as far as gadgets movie batman doesnt have all the much in the way of offense. calling some bats and some batarangs not going to accomplish much. i know everyone looooves batman but this is just a different weight-class.
Joshua) Snikt-ka-bob? That may be the best turn of phrase I’ve seen in weeks. I’m totally stealing that. I have no idea where I’ll be able to use it, but I’m still stealing it.
As to the question at hand, In the Movies, it’s Wolverine, hands down. In the comics, Batman has time to adapt and come up with a plan. In the more realistic Nolanverse, he gets out of breath and exhausted by an extremely strenuous fight while Wolverine never gets tired. A batman without comic book powers is utterly outmatched.
As much as I think Nolan’s movies are better films than the (also quite good, well… I mean at least X2 and First Class..) X-men movies so far, I have to give this one to Wolverine. Comic Batman wants to kick Spectre in the face? No problem! But since this is Nolanverse Batman, he suffers from the realism that makes his movies so great. ie: He’s is completely and utterly mortal. Movie universe Wolverine was shot point blank in the head, and walked away. Movie Batman could take a few chunks out of him, but considering he doesn’t use explosives nearly as much (and even then mostly as part of a complex pre-established plan or the like), a few sharpened batarangs aren’t going to do him much good. All the body armor in the world can’t protect him from adamantium claws and a man whose strength conditioning involves daily walking around with a 300lb skeleton of unbreakable metal. Sorry, Nolan. Mr. Bale is toast. Now if this was a musical battle… Wolverine would still win 😛 Have you seen Jackman’s broadway chops?!
Here is how I see it playing out. Both spot one-another at the same time. Wolverine charges at Batman. Batman throws some of his batarangs hoping to slow Wolverine down. Not being the most tactical (and hiding his full abilities), Wolverine allows the rangs to hit him and/or slices them down with his claws. Seeing this, Batman might try some other tactics first, but would probably end up retreating. Unless Wolverine can defeat Batman before he retreats, I think Batman would eventually be able to determine Wolverine’s weakness (a really big magnet). Had Wolverine ever displayed any tactics to conceal his healing or claw abilities, I would have given the fight to him. As it stands, I need to hand it to the bat.
Wolverine is immortal and therefore outlives Batman. Bats may have the oppurtunity to win the battle, but no matter what Wolverine will win the war.
I had forgotten he had that ability… If Wolverine could follow Batman by smell after he retreats, that could spell serious trouble for the bat. Or maybe Wolverine would bump shoulders with Bruce instead. That would be an easy fight for Wolverine. Alas, I already voted.
I think that batman might win if he realizes that this is a subdue, not a completely and utterly crush type of battle.
THANK YOU! Also, as some have stated, movie batman doesn’t really have that. He also doesn’t have the “Oh I just happen to have the perfect gadget for this situation regardless of what the situation is” thing that some batmen have had. Go Wolverine! Fight! Kill!
You know, I may be misremembering the Batman movies, but IIRC, Bruce went into the WayneTech basement and confiscated most of the tech he uses as batman. So I just don’t see the brilliance and inventiveness in the Movie Bruce that I saw in the comics.
And, IIRC, the only combat training Bruce received in the movies was the Ninja training from Ras-Al-Gul. So, not the ‘master of all martial arts’ that the comic batman had. Ninja training is cool and all, but it’s not like he received a ‘life times’ worth of it.
Movie wolverine has over a century of combat experience, Mutant powers, and the skeleton/claws, which would cut right through Batmans armor like balsa wood.
Sorry guys, Nolan batman is not nearly as cool as Comic batman. Whereas movie wolverine is pretty close to comic Wolverine.
I’d give it to Wolverine, and it would be a pretty quick battle. Bats relies on his fists in a straight up hand to hand fight, and will never do enough damage to Wolverine’s regenerative abilities to make a difference.
They fight off and on every month or so. Sometimes Batman manages to subdue Wolverine, sometimes Batman manages to escape. After about forty or fifty years of this, Batman is too old to fight, while Wolverine is still in his prime. Short-term, Bats can pull off a few minor victories. Long-term, Wolvie wins.
“It’s a good thing I packed my anti-healing factor spray and adamantium dissolving solution.”
That would be the BAT-anti-healing factor spray and BAT-adamantium dissolving solution, buddy!
Well, I’m going to say Wolverine wins this one. This is just the movie Batman and all he has is preparation, armor and martial arts supporting him – in that order. Preparation is something nose homing Wolverine is not going to give him after initial contact, armor is sliced like tissue paper and martial arts might work, if he went for joint locks that dislocated all four limbs – thus immobilizing him, but Wolverine has four limbs – two with claws – and he doesn’t need to be careful about breaking his bones while struggling free. Therefore I conclude that Batman dislocates one arm, before being sliced and diced.
Wolverine > Nuke > Batman
I reserve judgment until after July 20.
Forget claws, how long before Batman busts his knuckles, even through the gauntlet, when he punches Wolverine as hard as he can in the face?
The more Batman’s infamous planning for every situation is mentioned, the more I’m reminded of General Helmuth von Moltke’s quote, “No battle plan survives contact with the enemy.” In real life, Batman should be unable to formulate flawless plans against everyone, no matter how much time he takes. But the point that movie Batman isn’t nearly the tactician that his comic book counterpart is proved valid.
Okay, you CANNOT break the neck of someone with an unbreakable spine. Just think that one over. And yes, I know how severing the spinal cord works, but it’s still going to be much harder with unbreakable vertebrae (and frankly, breaking someone’s neck in this fashion is a lot harder than it looks in the movies), and no action director will have someone with unbreakable bones get defeated by spinal injury, because explaining the real world physics would be too much for your average action movie audience to want to comprehend. We are dealing with movie characters here, so movie-style physics apply.
As for choking Wolverine, Batman can either do it from the front, at which point Wolverine can start sticking him in far more vulnerable areas with his claws, or from behind, where Wolverine has shown he will shove his own claws through his abdomen to stick someone clinging to his back, knowing that at least his own recovery will be quick. And either way, Wolverine could always just cut Batman’s arms off.
This is actually a good plan, unless Wolverine cuts through the fuel line or punctures the gas tank, lights up one of his trademark cigars, and sets the Tumbler on “Blamo.”. Anyone who has watched enough Mythbusters knows there are at least three reasons this won’t work, but we’re dealing with action movie physics again, so a leaking gas tank + a lit cigar= Tumbler goes boom, launches into the air, the explosion knocking Batman back (and maybe stunning him for a second), and when Bats gets to his feet, he sees a badly burned, but rapidly healing, angry Wolverine walking out of the firey wreckage. And then Batman knows he’s screwed.
I don’t even like Wolverine really, but he’s got this one nailed down.
I claim a draw via the merging of the two to create Dark Claw!~ Jk
I think that Wolverine’s inner darkness is darker than the bats, He would do WHATEVER it took for the win.
I voted for Wolverine, not just cause he would win in a no escape battle, but well, I’m named after him (Logan James… Wolverine is Logan, who’s real name is James). But if we are talking the two of them just meeting in the streets.. I have to say draw. Wolverine won’t go down, and Batman is definitely not dumb enough to try to go toe to toe with something that won’t die, has crazy strength and ferocity, huge claws that can’t be taken away and can cut anything, and the ability to never tire, succumb to drugs or fatal wounds. I think Batman would eventually just choose live to fight another day and put the whole thing behind him. I can see if Wolverine was a huge villain, or was hunting Bats for some reason, THEN Batman would have no choice but to stand and fight (and lose). But he isn’t gonna do that. He’s gonna choose not to become the next best sliced thing since sliced bread.
You have to remember something, guys: Batman doesn’t fight people to kill them, just to incapacitate them. He doesn’t have to get around Wolverine’s regeneration, he just has to pin him somehow.
Still awaiting moderation. *sigh*
Very cool video
Honestly I’d rather fight Wolverine when he can think then when he’s in a blind rage. I know it’s normally the other way around in a fight but not in this case. Wolverine wouldn’t feel anything in a rage. Choking him out probably wouldn’t work either because of what his bones being encased in.
And, if you were talking about the Adam West TV show, I might give you that one! But, the current series of Movies doesn’t give Batman the Bat-Laser, much less the Bat-Beam, or the Bat-Thermonuclear Hand Grenade! So (while I personally loathe both characters, at this point), I’ve got to give it to Wolverine…
I went with Wolverine. Even if Batman dodged the first assault and retreated to make plans to better combat Wolverine, Wolverine would just follow him with his animal senses and find the Bat Cave. And then it would be all on. Wolverines greatest asset is his healing. As shown in the movies he can heal Phoenixes melt you where you stand attack. So far in the movies we haven’t Batman with anything near that type of power or weapon
Your logic has a fairly severe flaw in it. The fact that Batman doesn’t like to kill does NOT mean that Wolverine will give up peacefully if Bats manages to pin him. Neither of these men is known for giving up, so we can’t assume they’re going to play by the Marvel vs DC crossover rule of “Pin Your Opponent And You Win.” This will be two animals going for each others’ throats…and we all know which one is more of an animal.
I think this arguement depends on whether you count Batman taking Wolverine out of commision as defeating him, not neccesarily knocking him out or killing him, but making it so he couldn’t fight anymore like restraing him somehow(magnets maybe).If this isn’t the case the Wolverine easily wins because even if Batman can avoid his initial strikes, Wolverine can in theory fight forever.
I’m going to have to give this one to Batman. Will Batman be able to kill Wolverine? No. But he wouldn’t anyway. Batman has demonstrated proficiency with multiple martial art forms (as demonstrated by the scene when Batman first arrives at the dojo) and trained to a point of mastery as a ninja or whatever it is the League of Shadows uses to the point he could fight four of them simultaneously. Wolverine on the other hand is depicted as being slow, clumsy, and reckless in the movies. If Wolverine had the presence of mind to keep his claws in reserve until an opportune moment to use them came about, I might give it to him. However, more likely the moment the battle picks up at all they will come out tipping Batman off as to what he is up against, assuming of course Wolverine doesn’t reveal them at first sight.
The eventual result I see is Wolverine ending up bat-tasered into unconsciousness, tranquilized, gassed, tied up or otherwise incapacitated by Batman with relatively little difficulty.
I’d rather that Batman and Wolverine team up to kick the crap out of Ryan Reynolds.
I gave it to Batman, because Bale came out on top when he and Jackman faced off in The Prestige. I know that’s a cop out reason, but come on, how often to we talk non comic movies here, and that was a great movie. Plus it also had Michael Cane, Scarlet Johanson and Andy Serkis in it, so we have a movie with Batman, Alfred, Wolverine, Black Widow, and Gollum. And David Bowie. Seriously, if you haven’t seen it, go get it on Netflix now. 🙂
This has got to be the strangest argument to a poll I’ve read yet, but, it works as well as any other I guess.
I will agree, however, that The Prestige was a great movie, and anyone who hasn’t seen it yet should. The recommendations have been doubled!
Also, Dan, you missed the best part. Not only is David Bowie in this movie, but he plays Nicolo Tesla.
Ok let me break this down on here from what I can imagine being the fight (im a story writer, well not really good but i still try) based on everyone’s arguments.
Here’s the storyline:
Batman runs through Gotham doing his usual Prowling for crime when he stumbles upon a group of thugs from the all-familiar Falcone Gang, whome was in turmoil after Harvey Dents massive take-down of the entire group. The thugs are simply just small bands of the gang trying to reestablish themselves in the crime syndicate (just making that part up, could go any other way). Tonight they find themselves in a fight with one man, with sharp claws coming out of his hands.
Wolverine is slashing down the thugs easily and Batman moves in as Wolverine strikes the last man down.
Batman, considering the man a threat, moves in cautiously to confront Wolverine.
Wolverine, sensing the tension in Batman, also considers him a threat, and turns to strike at the Dark Knight.
Batman, being well-trained, avoids the strike and moves in with several quick placed blows to vital areas to subdue Wolverine.
Wolverines healing factor comes into play as he his pushed back, slightly stunned by the mans skills but not enough to scare him.
Batman sees Wolverine recover faster then normal and is a little taken back, but agian, not overwhelmed, and he drifts into the shadows to fight from afar.
Wolverine easily sniffs out the Dark Knight and strikes at him.
Batman barely avoids the strikes, gaining a few good lashes to his sides and legs, but nothing major. He then goes for a quick strike to the mans throat, aimed to choke out the man.
Wolverine, unaware of Batmans quickness, stumbles back for a breif moment to fix his now injured windpipe.
Batman, knowing this foe is not of the usual enemies, and knowing that he is capable of tracking the Dark Knight, uses a pheramone spray (assuming he has it after the dogs attacked him, I mean even the movie Batman adapted from his previous fights), in Wolverines face to throw him off Batmans trail for awhile for the Dark Knight to escape the frey and return to the Wayne Tower to speak with Fox, knowing full well that after awhile Wolverine will be back on his trail, he moves quickly, taking hair samples he had on his suit for the blows he dealt to Wolverine, given them to Fox to examine for any possible way to render Wolverines healing factor useless. Of course it comes up a dead end.
By this time Wolverine is fresh on Batmans trail agian, tracking him down to Wayne Tower and storms his way to where Batman is.
Batman confronts Wolverine once agian, this time more prepared to fight.
They ensue into an epic fight, Batman using everything in his arsenal to hold Wolverine back and Wolverine hacking down all of the Dark Knights defenses forcing his way ever closer.
When Wolverine finally gets a chance to strike he deals a major punch to Batmans center mass, the blow crushing through Batmans armor and knocking the wind out of the Dark Knight, and breaking several ribs as well as some internal damage.
Batman is now defenseless, the blow rendering him immobile and out of breath.
Wolverine moves in for a killing blow, the animal instincts coming out of him with the rage.
He is stopped by a newspaper, headling something about Batman saving someone or something heroic. Wolverine soon realises that Batman isn’t a bad guy but a hero, and retracts his claws, leaving Batman in his injured state and walks off into the sunset (cheesy i know but only thing i could think of lol), for he might be an animal, but he is also a human, as well as a former soldier, with some honor still intact, he respects Batman as the hero he is and wishes not to leave Gotham without its Dark Knight.
End
Ok so in the end in a sense Wolverine had Batman where he wanted him and could easily end the Dark Knight, so in all Wolverine has the upper hand, but of course Wolverine (like someone said) has fought in many wars, and knows the sacrifice Batman has made to end crime in Gotham and deep down respects the man for his calling, so he leaves Batman where he lies and disappears.
Actually I’m soo inticed by the storyline I am developing an entire Fanfic story from the whole thing, and will probably be writing it on Fanfiction.net in the near future.
ProwlerKnight almost has it. The Baleman, on even SPEAKING to Lucius Fox couldn’t possibly come away without knowing he needed: X-ray imager, tazer, metallurgy sampler and analyzer kit, sleeping gas, supermagnets. He would be wrong, of course, but he could lead Wolverine through an alley setup that for anyone else would be a killbox.
He takes the x-ray without W knowing, tazes AND gasses him, tries for almost too long to sample the metal, fails, flees to safety while dumping the alley full of grapefruit-sized supermagnets. When W shuts up or goes hoarse, for what, 30 seconds? He tries reasoning with him. W pretends to go along with him long enough for Baleman to release him, then k.o.’s him and scratches a note on the alley wall–Don’t make me come back.
He signs it like this. “/ / /” W wins because he fights after the fight is over. As sorry as I am, immaturity and spitefulness wins in this case.
@ProwlerKnight: Good story. I can totally see that happening in a comic. That said:
If you wish to become a writer, and be taken seriously as such, I would urge you, indeed plead with you, to learn the use of the possessive apostrophe. I know rules of grammar and punctuation are not highly regarded nowadays, and I know I sound like a dinosaur for even mentioning it, and I understand that many people write online using the pain-in-the-ass keyboard on their phone, but consider this: Language, in addition to separating us from animals, is the way we transmit ideas to each other. Careless language and careless thought are therefore inextricably linked. Less metaphysically–let’s not call them errors, let’s call them non-traditional usages—oh, the hell with it, let’s call them errors—errors are wearisome to the reader and makes him less inclined to read your stuff!
I apologize if it seems I’m picking on you or want to publicly make you look bad. I swear I don’t; I want you to succeed as an author, if that’s what you’re going for. And I still wouldn’t have said anything if you were the only one who’s ever, um, indulged in non-traditional usages. So I guess I’ve kind of used your work as a vehicle for venting my frustration with an erosion of the language (perhaps originating in the schools, or from the net, or whatever) that has affected far more people than just you, and it’s directed at them as well.
Thank you for tolerating my rant. If you have tolerated it. If you haven’t, I welcome your rebuttal.
Sorry to all for going off-topic.
Batman. He was shown to win with pure brute force fighters multiple times. If he had to fight Wolverine, he’d retreat, prepare a strategy tailored specifically to hurt him and then come back and destroy him.
Yeah I figured that I’d go with this instead of the standard arguement, because everyone else already had all the points covered. 😉
@Herr D, that is a good point, even if they couldn’t find a way to kill of his healing factor they would definitly find a way to subdue, that is of course IF they had enough time too, wolverine wouldn’t be diverted by the pheramones for more than a minute or two and would be back on Bats trail before he reaches Wayne Tower, of course he has four possible ways he could close the distance, one, he could hoof it and walk, two, he probably has a bike he was riding or some vehicle (he’s usually on a bike in the movies so I say bike), three, one of the goons left a ride at the place of the fight and he just jacks that, and four, he just walks out into the street and jacks someones car or bike. Either outcome he would be at Wayne tower before Batman and Fox can figure a full strategy agianst him, thus the Dark Knight must delay wolverine while Fox figures out a plan of attack for Batman, and Wolverine easily over comes Batman and the fight ends with Batman on his hands and knees and wolverine walking away. Atleast that’s the more exciting plot I could think of
@Spidercow2012, Rest assured I put much more effort into my stories grammer and spelling then I do into my posts ^^, and I don’t see your “Ranting” as anything other then helpful to me ^^, as a writer I love helpful advice and tips anywhere I can get them, and do all I can to improve my writing as much as I can, so all I can say is thank you for the advice ^^ I will keep it always in mind.
@Spidercow2012, there is an old saying I live by, it goes:
If you don’t keep in touch with you’re roots, you will never grow big enough to reach the stars.
@ProwlerKnight:
You’re baiting me, aren’t you? “Your” roots, not “you’re” roots. F-ing apostrophes.
Okay, that’s about enough out of me.
An excellent motto to live by, nevertheless. In exchange, here’s a nice one I saw printed on a coffee cup, so you know it’s gotta be good: “Life is not about finding yourself. It’s about creating yourself.”
Thank you for taking my screed in the spirit in which it was intended. And, as I implied, it was my hope that the message would be received by more than just you. Please rock on.
p.s. Is there somewhere I can go to read your stuff?