META: Comment commentary

I wanted to get your opinion on the new comment structure since there has been a difference of opinion:

Thanks for your feedback!

About Jeff Hebert

Jeff is a 45 year old city boy who has somehow found himself located in Colorado, fulfilling his lifetime dream of making a living drawing super-heroes all day.

35 Responses to META: Comment commentary

  1. I like the nesting. It can be a little bit more confusing, but I like being able to do direct responces instead of doing the “@Blank (43)” like we were doing before.

  2. I like the idea of nesting, however in practice it is annoying to have to hunt down the new comments. The Subscribe to comment feature is not something I will see myself using as a fix to the problem either as I do not want to get my inbox flooded with comments especially if the thread I am following is a real busy one like a contest thread or a OCD thread.

    If it were possible I’d either implement a Quote button so that the post you are replying to is Quoted in your post, and all posts would be chronological, or implement a system where all new posts since the last time you visited the page are in some fashion highlighted so they are easy to spot in the nesting.

  3. That highlight feature would be good, if it can be done.

  4. Although I like the nesting feature, I am starting to feel the same as Kaldath. Searching to find the new comments can be a little difficult.

    Now if there was a way to do Nesting and Chronological at the same time, like the whole Nested comment gets kicked to the bottom of the page when it’s replied to, I’d go for that option.

    Alas, if this is not possible I think I am leaning toward Chronological, just like we did in the old days when we were riding dinosaurs and eating dirt, AND LOVING IT!

  5. I agree. It’s much easier to reply to others, and to see if others replyed to you. Especially in long topics, like contests and ocd’s…

  6. I’m undecided. I admit, the nesting does help in responding to someone, but Kaldath. et al are right: It’s hard to track new comments when they are in response to someone else’s comment. I might be tempted to say Chronological, just in that “@Blank(43)” wasn’t that hard to follow.

  7. Only problem with the “@Blank(number)” system was that sometimes the numbers got messed up when comments were waiting for moderation. That kept changing the numbers.

  8. That’s why I would like a Quote System if it is possible. You click quote, the Message you are responding to get inserted in your post in its own box, or highlighted ect, and you add you message to it. This way people know who you are responding to, and exactly what the message you are responding to said while still making things chronological.

  9. Let’s see how this works.

    Kaldath:
    I like the idea of nesting, however in practice it is annoying to have to hunt down the new comments. The Subscribe to comment feature is not something I will see myself using as a fix to the problem either as I do not want to get my inbox flooded with comments especially if the thread I am following is a real busy one like a contest thread or a OCD thread.

    If it were possible I’d either implement a Quote button so that the post you are replying to is Quoted in your post, and all posts would be chronological, or implement a system where all new posts since the last time you visited the page are in some fashion highlighted so they are easy to spot in the nesting.

  10. Now I am trying to use the new Quote plugin by hitting the Reply button directly after Kaldath’s comment.

    Kaldath:
    That’s why I would like a Quote System if it is possible. You click quote, theMessage you are responding to get inserted in your post in its own box, or highlighted ect, and you add you message to it. This way people know who you are responding to, and exactly what the message you are responding to said while still making things chronological.

  11. OK, as you can see I am trying out a new “Quote” plugin along the lines suggested by Kaldath.

    It seems a little confusing to me, in terms of how they’ve implemented it. You have a “(Quote)” link at the end of someone’s comment, which, if you click it, will start a new bottom-of-the-thread comment with their comment included in block quotes. Or, you can just hit “reply” and the previous comment is quoted but your reply will be nested.

    If we’re going to do this Quote thing, then we should probably go back to Chronological order.

    Thoughts?

  12. Jeff Hebert:
    Let’s see how this works.

    Yes, I prefer this system, but it seems that you can’t quote what others are quoting.

    And yes, I think a chronological order would work better with this.

  13. NEON: Yes, I prefer this system, but it seems that you can’t quote what others are quoting.

    Yeah, it seems to automatically strip out any blockquote in the comment to which you’re replying. Interesting.

  14. Now, to get this effect, I first hit “reply”, then, with the comment open, I hit “Quote”. Interesting. I sound like Data from ST:TNG.

    NEON: Yes, I prefer this system, but it seems that you can’t quote what others are quoting.

  15. I much prefer the Chronological Quote system to the nesting system. Nesting and quotes together will just lead to more confusion.

  16. OK, to further muddle this muddlesome thread, I’ve now turned off nesting so we can test how we like chronological order with Kaldath’s suggested Quote feature. Holla.

  17. I wonder which is better, putting your comments ABOVE the quote …

    Kaldath:
    I much prefer the Chronological Quote system to the nesting system. Nestingand quotes together will just lead to more confusion.

    … or AFTER. Isn’t live testing of features fun?!

  18. Jeff Hebert:
    I wonder which is better, putting your comments ABOVE the quote …

    … or AFTER. Isn’t live testing of features fun?!

    After I would thing is the best. It allows someone just coming in on the discussion to more easily follow along, at least in my opinion anyway.

  19. Kaldath: After I would thing is the best. It allows someone just coming in on the discussion to more easily follow along, at least in my opinion anyway.

    QFT

  20. I never liked or understood the nesting type blogs. It is so much easier to just go back to where you left off and see what been posted then going back through the whole post to see if someone put something in middle somewhere. HM has been running fine till now, don’t fix it if it ain’t broke ;D

  21. I like the nesting for having the conversations all together, I like the chronological for knowing what’s new and I like the quote for the fact it gives you the benefit of nesting, all the while keeping with the chronological. If I had to pick one, I’d go with the quotes.

    Edit: I’d also say stick with quote first, then response, it flows more naturally that way.

  22. I like the quotes. Not as much as I like the nesting, but it works as a happy medium for the two…

  23. great, this one suit the best!
    where’s the poll button for this option?

    Jeff Hebert:
    OK, as you can see I am trying out a new “Quote” plugin along the lines suggested by Kaldath.

    It seems a little confusing to me, in terms of how they’ve implemented it. You have a “(Quote)” link at the end of someone’s comment, which, if you click it, will start a new bottom-of-the-thread comment with their comment included in block quotes. Or, you can just hit “reply” and the previous comment is quoted but your reply will be nested.

    If we’re going to do this Quote thing, then we should probably go back to Chronological order.

    Thoughts?

  24. I prefer the nesting. I’ve never used a blogs quote feature before.

    I was reading through the Sureality bites page, and the comments are now jumbled up. The comments are in chronilogical order, but, the replies to comments have been removed from where they originally were, and appear to have been randomly placed throughout the page.

  25. Frankie, I hear ya, but the blog’s been on chronological order since the very beginning. I think a few out-of-order comments on one post in the midst of experimenting is a small price to pay for trying out some new stuff.

  26. Hammerknight

    I think the quote will make for more post and clutter everything up. I like the nesting a lot because you can reply right there. I never did like going up and down trying to find out what people are talking about. You lose out on so much if you miss just one post. The nesting keeps things nice and neat. Beside you confessed the peanut butter out of me with that quote stuff.It takes up to much space. The way it looks if only five people post comments it could take up forty places if everyone of them quoted what the other has to say.

  27. I liked the nesting. If there’s some back-and-forth conversation, nesting is the easiest way to read all of it. It really isn’t all that hard to find the nests you’re interested in and follow them later, especially with all our shiny new avatars.

  28. I understand people feel the nesting is more streamlined in appearace. and what not. All I can say at this point is I know if things went back to nesting comments I will not be participating as much here as I otherwise would be because nesting is far to annoying for me to deal with. I am likely only to leave my opinion on a topic matter and not address or reply to anyone else’s post because I not going to try and hunt down every new comment spread out across the entire thread.

  29. I was fine with the “@person(Number):” system. I almost did that replying to someone with the nesting…

    My problem with the nesting is the same as some other people in that finding new comments when you come back to the thread is problematic. I agree that reading a long thread AFTER it’s all said and done would be easier with nesting, but doesn’t help when you’re going back and forth posting and reading at the same time (think OCD).

    Now, in another world, where computers are WAY more intelligent, they would either highlight every comment made after you last checked in, OR once the thread is closed, auto-nest all the comments so someone coming later to read it would be able to read each sequence of comments as a separate conversation. Since that AIN’T going to happen….

    I’ll choose quoting with chronological ordering for me then. ;)

  30. I go with chronological order. It’s great to read direct responses. Sorry, kids, but I’m up-and-down the line. The nesting is time wasted searching not reading and responding. Rather go to the “front” of the line which is the last quoted response. With quote tags and a link to the response, it gathers the yarn.

    We are in a multitude of voices on a blog. The easiest way to “hear” or single out a comment is the latest entry. I agree that @Radio(1990) is quaint but it’s direct. Whereas nesting is Radio(1990)@NinaBlackwood(Comment84)@JohnMellencamp(GoldenGates)@Donovan(SunshineCameThroughSoftlyMyWindowToday)@ThunderBirds(2086)@The411, because that would be dumb, dumb, da-da dumb…

  31. spidercow2012

    Hello, all. spidercow2010 here, but I’ve just reregistered as spidercow2012 because the email address that went with my previous name was no good anymore. So just checking in. No abduction or transubstantiation of souls has taken place. That I know of.

  32. I’m not sure, but it looks as if the quotes don’t show up in the “resent comments” list on the right. I mean, when you answer someone and use the “quote” option, you can’t see it as a resent comment.

  33. Dionne Jinn, your comment is appearing in the sidebar for me; it might have just taken a bit of time to load there for you or something. The caching is a bit odd.

    Dionne Jinn:
    I’m not sure, but it looks as if the quotes don’t show up in the “resent comments” list on the right. I mean, when you answer someone and use the “quote” option, you can’t see it as a resent comment.

  34. OK, I think I’m going to leave it like this — chronological order, with the ability to quote people via a click, and the option to edit your comment for up to 5 minutes.

    Thanks for all the feedback everyone, especially to Kaldath for the quote idea!

  35. Been a while.