Black Widow vs. Catwoman

Our Versus today features two of the deadliest leather-clad females in the Marvel and DC universes:

Black Widow is a highly trained, extremely deadly assassin. She can fight alongside the Marvel Universe’s most powerful heroes in the Avengers and is much, much more than just a gun and some wrist bracelets.

Catwoman, on the other hand, is largely a petty thief, much more interested in avoiding conflict than engaging in it. However, she too fights alongside (and against!) arguably the most deadly member of the DC Universe in Batman.

Both are nimble, agile, and quick. Both have deadly weapons and savage wits at their disposal. The Black Widow is arguably a superior strategist, but Catwoman is fantastic in a tactical situation where rapid reactions are vital.

I think this one is pretty close. But overall I’d probably go with the Black Widow since she’s trained to be a killer, whereas Catwoman is primarily a thief.

But what say you, HeroMachine Nation?

31 Responses to Black Widow vs. Catwoman

  1. Up the underdogs. :P

  2. I had to go Black Widow for the same reasons you did Jeff!

    I think next weeks Vs’s for a more even matchup we should go with Black Cat vs Catwoman.

  3. Patriot_Missile

    Black Widow fights alongside Marvel’s big boys, but Catwoman always survives Batman. (Batman, who should by now have a one-shot titled “Batman Incorporates the Marvel Universe”…) Anyways, Catwoman will steal Widow’s outfit and gadgets and the red off her hair during the fight before Widow can say, “I’m the Bl-“… Then Catwoman would drop a safe on her. ‘Nuff said?

  4. Heyla!
    I voted for Catwoman. Not just because of the comic version, but the movies. And I do not really know much of the Black Widow. I used to be a DC person and rarely read Marvel. And Catwoman in the shows have been played by some of the most Gorgeous Actors! Newmar, Kitt, Pfeiffer and Berry. While some performances were sub-par…or the storylines were. WHO wouldn’t want to have been caught by them at some point? LOL! And besides…going by the background…Catwoman seems to have the same thing going for her, that the mythology of cats have…Nine Lives. According to the history….I don’t think I missed anyone…so Catwoman still have five more to go! So even if the Black Widow with all that she has going for her manages to kill Catwoman, Catwoman will just come back and having learned, be able to deal with the Black Widow. Then of course in my perfect world, the two would become BFF’s, go for a drink have a spa day and talk about their mishaps and dealings and the inadequatesies of their male compatriots/nemisis’ and sorts.

  5. This ones not even close. Black Widow all the way. That’s not going on my pro-Marvel basis. Like Jeff said, Widow is a trained assasin and spy. Anthing Catwoman can do, Widow can do better. Catwoman’s only hope is that she can outrun Widow somehow and go hide. And the only reason the Catwoman can hold her own with Batman is because he’s torn about his feeling for her. Widow wouldn’t have that problem. I agree with Kaldath that we should put Catwoman up against Black Cat for a more even match.

  6. I went with Black Widow, again because of all the stuff Jeff said. There is no conceivable reason that a mere cat burglar would be able to beat one of the most highly trained assassins in the world. My explanation for the only aberration in all this (Catwoman can go toe-to-toe with Batman) is that Batman must take it easy on her, because he knows if he really unloaded and beat her within an inch of her life, Selina would stop flirting with him. And lets face it, guys can be pushovers for certain ladies in their lives, even the bad ones. Sometimes especially the bad ones.

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  8. you forgot to mention that Catwoman’s a contortionist http://www.wired.com/geekmom/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Catwoman-zero.jpg

  9. Black Widow wins this one. Both characters had — I imagine — troubled childhoods and a less-than-wholesome upbringing. But while Catwoman continues to wallow in that “The world owes me something” bulls—t, Black Widow rose above her past to challenge the might of mutants, demigods, and super-villains, alike. The only thing Catwoman has succeeded at is having her own title, despite being the most one-dimensional, boring character in all comic-dom.

    But hey, maybe that’s Catwoman’s superpower: Somehow being popular despite her movie being worse than the Wonder Woman movie WB continues to drag its heels on.

  10. Imma jump on the Black Widow bandwagon, and say what everyone else is saying about assassin beats thief upside the head.

  11. It’s becoming more and more obvious that most of the people that vote in these challenges have never bothered to read a comic in their life and are basing their opinions on the severely mutated and simplified characters that appear on film. I shall henceforth decline to participate.

  12. I am going with Widow because she’s got military training. This goes a long way to beating a thief. I’m thinking a closer battle would be Black Cat vs Cat woman THAT my friend would be too close to call.

  13. Eh. It’s easy to dodge Batman when he wants to boink you.

  14. Nick Hentschel

    I don’t know why this was tried, unless you’re trying to enoucrage Catwoman-hate. Despite being one of comics’ iconic characters and a household name, Catwoman hasn’t gotten a break in the comics world since the late 90’s when Chuck Dixon convinced everyone that she’s a wimp. By contrast, BW is riding a HUGE high from the Avengers film, and everyone wants to take her side in order to look cool.

    Personally, I think Catwoman ought to be able to beat the snot out of Natasha, and I thoroughly endorse patriot_missile’s idea that Selina could avoid the confrontation easily, and/or settle it through subterfuge.

  15. Nick Hentschel: I don’t know why this was tried, unless you’re trying to enoucrage Catwoman-hate.

    Because I like Catwoman and Black Widow? And I think it would be kind of cool to see their different styles against each other?

  16. I’m not going to vote either ’cause this is a win for everyone. Two chicks in tight leather suits….YEAH BABY!

  17. Does the “they’re two hot chicks so we all win!” thing have to be brought up every time there’s an all-female versus?

    I mean, I guess it’s possible it does. There might be an internet law or something. But, no offense guys, it really does get just a tad…I dunno, repetitive.

    Oh, well, it’s not like somebody’s got a gun to my head forcing me to read every post, so I should probably not have even brought it up. Meh.

  18. X-stacy: Does the “they’re two hot chicks so we all win!” thing have to be brought up every time there’s an all-female versus?

    Agreed — it’s played.

    But on that note, I did think while I was putting the image together how monotonous that look has gotten, especially as a consequence of movies (but predating that as well). The guys generally get to wear something at least a little interesting, even if it shows off their guns. But the outfits for the females are all the same, from Catwoman to Black Widow to the Baroness and on and on. They just have a repetitive “painted on black leather” sameness that’s gotten boring.

  19. ? I’ve never really understood why voyeuristic comments would be more boring than violence–we are being repetitive either way.

    What is more interesting to me personally is whether an edgy, temporary, and highly unstable alliance might be hammered out before the fight gets fully underway, and whether, when both of them manage to double-cross each other at the end of it, either of them finds themselves smiling over the fact that both of them got enough of what they wanted to be happy about it.

  20. Herr D: ? I’ve never really understood why voyeuristic comments would be more boring than violence–we are being repetitive either way.What is more interesting to me personally is whether an edgy, temporary, and highly unstable alliance might be hammered out before the fight gets fully underway, and whether, when both of them manage to double-cross each other at the end of it, either of them finds themselves smiling over the fact that both of them got enough of what they wanted to be happy about it.

    Eh, I guess it’s just a knee-jerk thing. I like girls, so it’s not like I don’t understand where the comments are coming from…it’s just that I can’t help noticing that nobody comments on the yummy factor of, say, Robert Downey Jr vs Christian Bale, even though I’m given to understand that they’re pretty attractive to people who like dudes. It just doesn’t come up, even from straight female or gay male commentors. It’s the bone-deep sexism of comics culture that really gets old, I suppose; this is just a minor symptom.

    *shrug* Like I said, probably shouldn’t even have said anything.

  21. X-stacy:
    Does the “they’re two hot chicks so we all win!” thing have to be brought up every time there’s an all-female versus?

    I mean, I guess it’s possible it does.There might be an internet law or something.But, no offense guys, it really does get just a tad…I dunno, repetitive.

    I was going to make fun of this also, with something like…

    *Insert obligatory hot chick fight joke here.*

    … and then go into my idea about the fight.

    Anyhow, I am following the bandwagon on this and siding with the Black Widow. Unless they were trying to both steal something, Catwoman would probably lose.

  22. See, I never even considered that some of the people who bring it up are probably joking. I am now ashamed of myself. *hangs head*

    Straying even farther off-topic than I already was, I was watching Batman & Robin this morning (don’t judge me) and it occured to me that this is the movie people should reference when they’re trying to explain the sexism in the difference between the way men and women are traditionally portrayed in comics–because the way Schumacher shows Batman and Robin (long lingering ass shots, crotch close-ups, and eternally-hard nipples visible even in body armor–all things fanboys hated) is how women are shown in comics all the damn time.

    On the actual topic (finally, right?): I would rather read about Catwoman. But unless it’s Bring Batman to Work Day, I have to give the fight to Black Widow. She’s extensively trained to hurt people, whereas Catwoman mostly excels as acrobatics and daring escapes.

  23. X-stacy: Straying even farther off-topic than I already was, I was watching Batman & Robin this morning (don’t judge me) and it occured to me that this is the movie people should reference when they’re trying to explain the sexism in the difference between the way men and women are traditionally portrayed in comics–because the way Schumacher shows Batman and Robin (long lingering ass shots, crotch close-ups, and eternally-hard nipples visible even in body armor–all things fanboys hated) is how women are shown in comics all the damn time.

    That is an excellent point. I never thought of that before, well done.

    X-stacy: On the actual topic (finally, right?): I would rather read about Catwoman. But unless it’s Bring Batman to Work Day, I have to give the fight to Black Widow. She’s extensively trained to hurt people, whereas Catwoman mostly excels as acrobatics and daring escapes.

    But here’s why I put it up in the first place. You have Black Widow, someone who’s trained to hunt down people. And then you have Catwoman, who’s trained to not be hunted down, to get away without anyone noticing. I think that’s intriguing.

    I should’ve brought this up at the top, but in this case I see “winning” for Catwoman being “getting away” and not as “killing Black Widow”.

  24. Jeff Hebert: But here’s why I put it up in the first place. You have Black Widow, someone who’s trained to hunt down people. And then you have Catwoman, who’s trained to not be hunted down, to get away without anyone noticing. I think that’s intriguing. I should’ve brought this up at the top, but in this case I see “winning” for Catwoman being “getting away” and not as “killing Black Widow”.

    Ah, I see! Well in that case, if I could go back in time, I’d change my vote. And, I’d pay in to a Kickstarter to fund the comic that showed that cat and mouse game.

  25. Nick Hentschel:
    By contrast, BW is riding a HUGE high from the Avengers film, and everyone wants to take her side in order to look cool.

    I have to respectfully disagree with you. Personally, I’m not a fan of Catwoman. Yes, she’s an iconic character that has been around since the 40’s and she’s undergone a lot of diffrent changes through those years, but I personally find her boring. As far as Black Widow goes, I’ve been a fan of hers since the mid 90’s, when I first got into the Avengers. Voting for her had nothing to do with the movie or a desire to be cool. It had to do with thinking about the fight, and in my opinion Catwoman, in any incarnation, doesn’t stand a chance against a trained assassin / spy. The only hope Catwoman has is somehow getting the drop on Widow and shooting her in the back. And as far as the movies go, I actually prefered Anne Hathaway’s Catwoman to Scarlett Johansson’s Black Widow.

  26. Nick Hentschel

    Jeff Hebert: Because I like Catwoman and Black Widow? And I think it would be kind of cool to see their different styles against each other?

    Sorry to get cranky again, Jeff, but you know how cynical I am. Moreover, I’ma long-time Catwoman fan, who loyally stood her during the dark days when Bronwyn Carlton was destroying the character, Talia was supplanting her in Bruce’s life, Chuck Dixon kept giving her unflattering guest appearances in every book he wrote, and every troll in the DCU was coming onto the Catwoman message boards at DC to flame us!

    To reiterate (more gently), I do see certain trends at work, which will bias the vote. First, a great deal of fandom seems to suffer from what I call “Julie Newmar Syndrome”: the idea that Catwoman is only allowed to be sexy, never the least bit capable.
    Second, Natasha really *is* getting a boost from the movie. So, I don’t expect that Catwoman will get a fair comparison in voters’ minds. As such, the outcome of this poll seems a foregone conclusion, and as you can see, I was oversensitive to the issue anyway. :-(

    For my part, I voted Selina (surprise, surprise), since I’ve always stood by her as a tough character. But for everyone who does that, there’s 2 more who will sneer at us for liking Catwoman, it often

  27. Nick Hentschel

    Jeff Hebert:

    But here’s why I put it up in the first place. You have Black Widow, someone who’s trained to hunt down people. And then you have Catwoman, who’s trained to not be hunted down, to get away without anyone noticing. I think that’s intriguing.

    I should’ve brought this up at the top, but in this case I see “winning” for Catwoman being “getting away” and not as “killing Black Widow”.

    Okay, that’s fair. And it’s about what I’d expect, too: Selina would just avoid her, and find some indirect way of making her back off.

  28. I feel ya, Nick, no worries :-)

    Nick Hentschel: Second, Natasha really *is* getting a boost from the movie.

    True, although we did just get a pretty cool rendition of Catwoman in the last Dark Knight movie. I thought they wrote her reasonably well and I enjoyed Hathaway’s performance more than I thought I would.

    I never had strong feelings about Catwoman one way or the other until Darwyn Cooke got ahold of her. I loved his costume design and the attitude he gave her. But, I’m a Cooke fanboy so take that for what it’s worth.

  29. Nick Hentschel

    Jeff Hebert:
    I feel ya, Nick, no worries

    I never had strong feelings about Catwoman one way or the other until Darwyn Cooke got ahold of her. I loved his costume design and the attitude he gave her. But, I’m a Cooke fanboy so take that for what it’s worth.

    Indeed I shall: I tend to credit her turnaround to Ed Brubaker’s writing, not to Darwyn Cooke. Of course, *I* may be biased, since I spoke to them both online, and found Ed to be far more personable. ;-)

  30. @ X-stacy – Apologies if I offended you or anyone else with my comment. I was only trying to get a laugh and forgot that what I wrote wasn’t very “PC”. Sorry.

  31. ams: @ X-stacy – Apologies if I offended you or anyone else with my comment. I was only trying to get a laugh and forgot that what I wrote wasn’t very “PC”. Sorry.

    No worries, man–I apparently left my sense of humor in my other pants yesterday.